Paramedic - I’m on strike tomorrow

It’s been reported it’s all about money which is part of the wider problem but this is more to ensure the publics safety. We genuinely believe we have been backed into a corner and run down so much we have no choice. People are dying because of it.

This is the heart of the matter.

I'm an RCN member; I've not been on strike as I'm now employed by a university, and I don't get paid via the NHS. I didn't get a vote, but I would have abstained as I don't think it's right for me to tell my NHS colleagues what they should do.

However, I support the strikes. I see it as prioritising the well-being of the NHS over years and decades ahead over a compromised service for a few days.
 
I didn't get a vote, but I would have abstained as I don't think it's right for me to tell my NHS colleagues what they should do.

However, I support the strikes. I see it as prioritising the well-being of the NHS over years and decades ahead over a compromised service for a few days.
I'm not in anything to do with that profession, a union or the RCN, or employed by a uni etc, so not exactly an expert on this, but if you did get a vote then surely voting (for anything) is just showing your point of view, not dictating what others should do?
If you support it, you should vote for it, assuming you could vote that is, and anyone who got a vote is probably entitled to it, anyone not getting a vote is less so of course?

Same as if you didn't support it then vote against it, but surely not voting (for someone who gets a vote in what they do) is effectively looking like you're sitting on the fence?

If there was a university union, and you were in that situation would you be voting, or abstaining?

I can understand abstaining on voting for something which isn't about what you do, or in any way related, but there's not really much point in that discussion?
 
As the NHS provides a service which I pay for (as do we all), if there was a way of voting to support the strikers for how this would impact my potential future care (and that of others, and my family etc), then I would 100% vote to support the staff/ strike. I can't do that now (not my trade/ union), so the only way to support the NHS is to vote against those who have crippled it (the Tories), at the next election, and also to not support those individuals and businesses who support the Tories.

Probably a good idea if the public doesn't partake in anything with increased risk, during strike days, if they can. Not much I can do, and I'm fairly young, but I won't be driving anywhere or playing any sport on strike days etc. It's not a lot, but suppose it all adds up.

The way I see it is a few days of strikes will end up in better pay and conditions for the staff then this will help increase the quality of the care back many multiples of any problems caused. That is of course if the Tories don't just shift some of the existing budget to wages, no point paying ambulance drivers more, if we take away the ambulances etc. I've got a funny feeling this is how the press are going to frame this though, "We will pay staff more, but we won't increase the number of roles, and we'll have to fund the wage increases with diverting funds away from equipment".

Funding needs to go up, drastically, and a fair chunk of that needs to go on wages for the short term.

It's not just the NHS funding which dictates how it operates though, underfunding social care is crippling the NHS, as there's nowhere to get people of out beds, as there's nowhere to put them. Massive problem with bed blocking, so we either need many more beds, or need to be more efficient with getting people out of beds, when they're ready to leave (which is not currently happening).
 
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The way I see it is a few days of strikes will end up in better pay and conditions for the staff then this will help increase the quality of the care back many multiples of any problems caused.

Unfortunately I don't think a few days of strikes are going to end this, the rail strikes have been going on since June and Mick Lynch said we are still nowhere near reaching a resolution when asked this morning.

The government will keep hiding behind pay review bodies and minimum service levels and this will drag on as long as the union members still have an appetite for it.

We need mass demonstrations now in my opinion or some other change of approach from the unions, a couple of days here and there on strike isn't changing anything. Maybe we need to announce that we're going out and not coming back until the government start actually negotiating.
 
We need mass demonstrations now in my opinion or some other change of approach from the unions, a couple of days here and there on strike isn't changing anything. Maybe we need to announce that we're going out and not coming back until the government start actually negotiating.
I would agree with this, the problem we have is people are living month by month from a financial perspective and maybe don’t have the resilience for a long term battle I think the government know this. Plus the more sporadic days we strike the better resilience our service has which is good in some respects but limits the impact. Public support seems to be increasing which helps despite certain media outlets and the government spinning the truth.
 
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We need mass demonstrations now in my opinion or some other change of approach from the unions, a couple of days here and there on strike isn't changing anything. Maybe we need to announce that we're going out and not coming back until the government start actually negotiating.

There’s a number 3.5%. No government apparently have withstood that amount of the population being out on the streets. They all have fallen. That includes some very dodgy regimes.
By coincidence myself and the missus drove down to SW France on the very first day of the
Gilets jaunes protests. The big country wide one. They were on every roundabout, motorway junction…all over. It put about 2-3 hours on the journey, and we didn’t mind one bit, it was brilliant to see.
There was no anger against anyone but the Government.
It was not a political, no union involvement until later, but a social movement originating in rural France.Fuelled by exactly what’s going on here now. People not being able to afford things, but mainly Macron’s fuel rises. You can’t live and work in Rural France without a car. There are lots of artisan, self employed tradesmen around…and they took a huge hit.
The French like to remind their governments who is actually in charge.
Time for feet on the street. Aux barricades!
 
Such an upsetting decision to make, in 18 years of front line duties I never thought it could ever come to this.
This government has tore the NHS apart From day one. Reading the legislation today around rules to strike, spinning it as if we aren’t providing life threatening cover. This is like Putin’s government attempting to use the media as a propaganda tool.
Well the British public aren’t that stupid.
Everyone of my colleagues due on shift will start at shift start time to check the ambulance over and stand outside the station on a picket line with a radio attached to our belts ready to respond to life threatening Emergencies which we will, because that’s what we do,
It’s been reported it’s all about money which is part of the wider problem but this is more to ensure the publics safety. We genuinely believe we have been backed into a corner and run down so much we have no choice. People are dying because of it.
You would not believe some of the horrendous stories and sights I’ve seen.
F..k this government
Over 40 years in the NHS and I have never seen anything as worrying as what this government is doing. Agree with everything you say except… “the British are not that stupid”? I hope you are right
 
Such an upsetting decision to make, in 18 years of front line duties I never thought it could ever come to this.
This government has tore the NHS apart From day one. Reading the legislation today around rules to strike, spinning it as if we aren’t providing life threatening cover. This is like Putin’s government attempting to use the media as a propaganda tool.
Well the British public aren’t that stupid.
Everyone of my colleagues due on shift will start at shift start time to check the ambulance over and stand outside the station on a picket line with a radio attached to our belts ready to respond to life threatening Emergencies which we will, because that’s what we do,
It’s been reported it’s all about money which is part of the wider problem but this is more to ensure the publics safety. We genuinely believe we have been backed into a corner and run down so much we have no choice. People are dying because of it.
You would not believe some of the horrendous stories and sights I’ve seen.
F..k this government
good luck with your battle, we're right beside you in this fight
 
Can I just say a huge thankyou for all the comments and support, it really does help when striking in this profession brings about huge moral dilemmas and stress when all we want to do is the best for our patients

We know what, and who you are doing this for. No matter how much shoite the Tory ghouls try to throw at you.
 
Unfortunately I don't think a few days of strikes are going to end this, the rail strikes have been going on since June and Mick Lynch said we are still nowhere near reaching a resolution when asked this morning.

The government will keep hiding behind pay review bodies and minimum service levels and this will drag on as long as the union members still have an appetite for it.

We need mass demonstrations now in my opinion or some other change of approach from the unions, a couple of days here and there on strike isn't changing anything. Maybe we need to announce that we're going out and not coming back until the government start actually negotiating.
They won't but they'll get the ball rolling, the ball will roll easier for the NHS mind, as the NHS has far more public support than rail. Lynch will get a good result for the rail though, as he's extremely competent and clinical, but that will probably take more time. The NHS will probably get a worse result, but quicker, but tough to say, it's harder for them to strike for longer. Once Lynch is done with the rail, the NHS unions should try and recruit him.

The government aren't meeting performance targets for the NHS, but just as important is social care from council budgets/ budget cuts) which is crippling the NHS, and unless they commit to funding which would cover existing and previous inflation, plus a lot more, and doing that for the future then performance will get worse. The Tory minimum service target should be how they took over it (both the NHS and social care), at the very least, not considerably worse.

We need a reality check of what an older population will do/ cost, and also what damage a pandemic will cause at the time, and for a long time after, people are really underestimating this. The public are realising (who has caused this mess, at least, albeit not the full scale), and hopefully this will be reflected in the next GE, that's the only way anything will be done.

Lots of people get conned that if funding (not just wages) increased with inflation then this would do the trick, but it won't it will be a long, long way short and become a bigger hole to dig out of. The population is getting older, in 20 years we will have twice as many old people (as a percentage) than we did when Labour took over in 1997 (labour kept on top of it mind). Old people cost ~3-5x more to maintain than younger folk, so cost is rocketing, as will pension payments out, but a big problem is there will be less younger people to pay into the pot to balance those books. We can't charge the younger folk more, as they're already screwed by house price increases and other increases and lack of wage growth. The only way to cover that cost is to redistribute wealth, pay people more and get people spending (so we can tax it). Having money sitting in the bank of the top 1%, or top 0.1% won't work. Having those with no money paying finance charges won't work, the only way to avoid these charges is to have more money so you don't need the finance (like the rich don't, or not at the same rates).

Not sure what we can do about rail, but cutting the ludicrous red tape on maintenance/ new projects will help. Having worked in the rail industry (and all areas of infrastructure) there is extreme cash burning/ waste, which is beyond ludicrous. All this is doing is funnelling money into the pockets of big contractors (and to a lesser degree sub-contractors, but they at least spend what they make, and find it much harder to doge tax). This all largely comes at the cost of those who rely on public transport, but also the taxpayer. Nationalising won't fix it either, as it's the aspect of which which is already nationalised which is causing the biggest problems (Network Rail), not the train operators. Red tape and cost have gone up, many multiples compared to any quality or safety increases.
 
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I'm not in anything to do with that profession, a union or the RCN, or employed by a uni etc, so not exactly an expert on this, but if you did get a vote then surely voting (for anything) is just showing your point of view, not dictating what others should do?
If you support it, you should vote for it, assuming you could vote that is, and anyone who got a vote is probably entitled to it, anyone not getting a vote is less so of course?

Same as if you didn't support it then vote against it, but surely not voting (for someone who gets a vote in what they do) is effectively looking like you're sitting on the fence?

If there was a university union, and you were in that situation would you be voting, or abstaining?

I can understand abstaining on voting for something which isn't about what you do, or in any way related, but there's not really much point in that discussion?

Well it's academic really as the RCN didn't include non-NHS members in the ballot.

You say I'm not dictating what others should do, but I am really. My vote could only make a difference in the (admittedly unlikely) scenario that a) nurses working in the NHS didn't vote for a strike anyway and b) the votes of non-NHS nurses such as myself was sufficient to tip the balance in favour of strike action.

A half-arsed strike to which there wasn't real commitment by frontline staff would be the worst of both worlds.

I think that's why the RCN were right not to give me a vote.

There is a university union (UCU), which I chose to leave as I disagreed with much of what they said and did during covid.
 
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