Palestine and the British public

HarryVegas said:
Was at the Durham Miners Gala yesterday. Among the guests were quite a large contingent from Palestine. There were cheers and there was support but there was also a fair amount of booing and abuse. I saw people shouting at them that they weren't welcome, go home etc. In addition someone who I'm close to marched with Palestinian people and they were spat at, sworn at and abused.

Is this who we are now, abusing a people who are literally being bombed out of existence, with our government supplying their attacker with weapons?

As an additional point, I had a guy with a MAGA hat shout to tell me I'm sinning against God because I wore a rainbow 'Love is love' t-shirt. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that I'm actually a straight dad and grandad who just believes in supporting folk who are routinely picked on by the likes of him.

Can't help thinking we'd be in better shape if we had leaders who led from the front and spelled out to its people why such views and behaviour are unacceptable in a supposedly civilised country.
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Jeez, that's sad.

I think the whole brexit and anti-immigration agenda that some political figures have traded on has led us to this point, especially in more working class northern areas.

Swathes of less affluent people have been duped by a comparative minority of rich people into believing that people with brown skin are the reason why they are lives aren't better.

Trump and the US have enable and normalised the sentiment and belief. It's a fooked up world right now.
 
Its disgusting what is happening now. More innocent children killed today in Gaza. But what did Hamas think was going to happen when they massacred and kidnapped all those innocent Israelis' ? None of this was necessary.
 
North22 said:
Its disgusting what is happening now. More innocent children killed today in Gaza. But what did Hamas think was going to happen when they massacred and kidnapped all those innocent Israelis' ? None of this was necessary.
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What did Israel think was going to happen when they continue to treat Palestinians like subhumans,invade their land in the West Bank and continue to persecute them.
 
North22 said:
It’s disgusting what is happening now. More innocent children killed today in Gaza. But what did Hamas think was going to happen when they massacred and kidnapped all those innocent Israelis' ? None of this was necessary.
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7/7 was nowhere near the start of this conflict
 
dribble said:
Agree ,what Hamas did on October 7th was horrendous but are you saying that everything that went before 7th October should be dismissed.
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No. It’s decades and centuries of arguing over land and resources largely based on what God they each believe in. It can’t be simplified or pegged to a specific date.

The irony being that wars like this serve as a reminder to everyone else that there isn’t a God.
 
There is developing a political shift between socially liberal and socially conservative and that shift can be the most dominant factor on how they vote. I still to think most of us are not totally one or the other its a bit like saying in the 1930 were you a communist or fascist?

The Labour Party is trying to span the divide and it is difficult. Some political hstorians think the divide has been always been around in the Labour Party. George Orwell described Hampstead socialists who in the late 1930s would have been against the British Empire and wanted relieve poverty, but didn't have the stomach for real social change i.e. welfare state i.e NHS, comprehensive schools, free post 14 education, child benefit, full employement. The Hampstesad socialists he argued didn't really know what it was like to be poor in somewhere like Wigan. To Labour's credit they are possibly the only Party now trying to span the divide. Reform and Conservaitives are going down socially conservative and Liberal and Greens down the socially liberal.
 
It’s impossible for me too see what Isreal’s end game is here.

How can they expect to live in peace and security ever with so many innocents being slaughtered?

After the attack a few months on the ambulance convoy where there explaining narrative was proved to be a tissue of lies I haven’t understood how anyone can continue to support actively or tacitly what they are doing.
 
Redwurzel said:
There is developing a political shift between socially liberal and socially conservative and that shift can be the most dominant factor on how they vote. I still to think most of us are not totally one or the other its a bit like saying in the 1930 were you a communist or fascist?

The Labour Party is trying to span the divide and it is difficult. Some political hstorians think the divide has been always been around in the Labour Party. George Orwell described Hampstead socialists who in the late 1930s would have been against the British Empire and wanted relieve poverty, but didn't have the stomach for real social change i.e. welfare state i.e NHS, comprehensive schools, free post 14 education, child benefit, full employement. The Hampstesad socialists he argued didn't really know what it was like to be poor in somewhere like Wigan. To Labour's credit they are possibly the only Party now trying to span the divide. Reform and Conservaitives are going down socially conservative and Liberal and Greens down the socially liberal.
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Can't remember which commentator stayed that UK is a fiscally liberal but socially conservative country but i would say that's pretty accurate.

Successive governments have tried to push the conservative fiscal line, and as a result (or a bargaining chip) have reinforced the social conservatism.
 
There are an increasing number of people who believe all manner of ***** they've seen/heard on social media.

Even people I consider rational are openly talking about Farage being the only one who can sort things out. It's soul destroying, they believe things that grifters post about on social media but when challenged won't believe a word I tell them.

it's worrying.
 
Angus said:
It’s impossible for me too see what Isreal’s end game is here.

How can they expect to live in peace and security ever with so many innocents being slaughtered?

After the attack a few months on the ambulance convoy where there explaining narrative was proved to be a tissue of lies I haven’t understood how anyone can continue to support actively or tacitly what they are doing.
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If they kill everyone from Palestine then that people stop being a problem.
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
From what I've been told there are some very racist views in the pit villiages of Country Durham. Lots of support for the EDL in places like Wingate so I've been told.
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County Durham pit villages have always had “traditional”values in respect to race and sexual orientation
When I started work there was a lad of about my age from a local pit village
There were scores of other former miners working there after their pits had started to close
The young lad was gay but hadn’t come out as it was known as then
When they realised he was gay they made his life very difficult and would never talk to him or car share
He was so troubled he attempted suicide twice and they showed no sympathy whatsoever
He finally took redundancy and moved to London
I kept in touch with him for a while and he was living in a flat in Maida Vale with a member or members of Squeeze as his upstairs neighbours
Finally he could be himself and was much happier
 
North22 said:
Its disgusting what is happening now. More innocent children killed today in Gaza. But what did Hamas think was going to happen when they massacred and kidnapped all those innocent Israelis' ? None of this was necessary.
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This is the issue, the right wing are brainwashed into thinking that 7 October was the start of this whole conflict and use it as some sort of political weapon to approve of Israels murder.

Both things can be wrong.
 
I have always thought they allowed it to happen. Every military leader in Irans movements were known why not the beginning act? I had a feeling it was all set up to roll and it hasnt stopped since. Its all over bar the shouting. Hamas Hezbolah Iran defeated.
 
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