Palestine and the British public

HarryVegas

HarryVegas

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Was at the Durham Miners Gala yesterday. Among the guests were quite a large contingent from Palestine. There were cheers and there was support but there was also a fair amount of booing and abuse. I saw people shouting at them that they weren't welcome, go home etc. In addition someone who I'm close to marched with Palestinian people and they were spat at, sworn at and abused.

Is this who we are now, abusing a people who are literally being bombed out of existence, with our government supplying their attacker with weapons?

As an additional point, I had a guy with a MAGA hat shout to tell me I'm sinning against God because I wore a rainbow 'Love is love' t-shirt. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that I'm actually a straight dad and grandad who just believes in supporting folk who are routinely picked on by the likes of him.

Can't help thinking we'd be in better shape if we had leaders who led from the front and spelled out to their people why such views and behaviour are unacceptable in a supposedly civilised country.
 
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HarryVegas said:
Was at the Durham Miners Gala yesterday. Among the guests were quite a large contingent from Palestine. There were cheers and there was support but there was also a fair amount of booing and abuse. I saw people shouting at them that they weren't welcome, go home etc. In addition someone who I'm close to marched with Palestinian people and they were spat at, sworn at and abused.

Is this who we are now, abusing a people who are literally being bombed out of existence, with our government supplying their attacker with weapons?

As an additional point, I had a guy with a MAGA hat shout to tell me I'm sinning against God because I wore a rainbow 'Love is love' t-shirt. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that I'm actually a straight dad and grandad who just believes in supporting folk who are routinely picked on by the likes of him.

Can't help thinking we'd be in better shape if we had leaders who led from the front and spelled out to its people why such views and behaviour are unacceptable in a supposedly civilised country.
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We have leaders who will do and say whatever is required to keep being elected.
 
goalscrounger said:
Being generous, a MAGA hat here in the US could at least be viewed as a "patriotic" gesture from a right leaning Republican.

A MAGA hat being worn by a Brit in the UK just makes them a ****.
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Yeah that would be mental.

Although Harry didn’t clarify that he was a Brit.
 
I genuinely feel that humanity will not really make progress until society sees that people are just people. It doesn't matter where someone is from, or what colour skin they have. We all have the same basic needs. It's a shame politicians and those funding them prefer the opposite.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Anybody with an opinion who wants to take it to the streets and protest sets themselves up to be abused. It’s just what we’ve become: intolerant!
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Agree with that but I also think the Right should be engaged with rather than ridiculed. Purely because nobody changes their opinion because they felt belittled.

Otherwise, that in itself is intolerant.
 
At any large gathering, even left leaning ones, there will always be a sizeable contingent of Richard Craniums.
 
My partner was watching the live aid documentary last night and we both wondered if something similar happened today would the rest of the world respond and try and help the initial drought and 20 years later cancel the debt in Africa. We both kind of agreed we wouldn't even though we have more than we have ever had but people seem to be considerable more selfish now quite sad really
 
Fattyfoggon said:
My partner was watching the live aid documentary last night and we both wondered if something similar happened today would the rest of the world respond and try and help the initial drought and 20 years later cancel the debt in Africa. We both kind of agreed we wouldn't even though we have more than we have ever had but people seem to be considerable more selfish now quite sad really
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We were watching the replayed concert in my local last night. Quite a few of the regulars remembered it happening. I asked did it really make a difference? I don't think it did.
 
When I was a kid in the 60s I thought it was really unfair that Israel was surrounded by countries who wanted to annihilate them.
I was happy to see Moshe Dyan out think the combined armies of the middle East who attacked them.
Since then I have always hoped they could hold their own in any troubles.

I now think what they are doing to the people of the Gaza strip is disgusting and is genocide.
I am also disgusted with our governments response to the savagery of it all. Its a horrible world we live in .
 
Nero said:
We were watching the replayed concert in my local last night. Quite a few of the regulars remembered it happening. I asked did it really make a difference? I don't think it did.
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I think you may have missed the point being raised here. It was more about the nations willingness to help those less fortunate. Your point is worthy of debate however but probably in a dedicated thread.
 
HarryVegas said:
Was at the Durham Miners Gala yesterday. Among the guests were quite a large contingent from Palestine. There were cheers and there was support but there was also a fair amount of booing and abuse. I saw people shouting at them that they weren't welcome, go home etc. In addition someone who I'm close to marched with Palestinian people and they were spat at, sworn at and abused.

Is this who we are now, abusing a people who are literally being bombed out of existence, with our government supplying their attacker with weapons?

As an additional point, I had a guy with a MAGA hat shout to tell me I'm sinning against God because I wore a rainbow 'Love is love' t-shirt. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that I'm actually a straight dad and grandad who just believes in supporting folk who are routinely picked on by the likes of him.

Can't help thinking we'd be in better shape if we had leaders who led from the front and spelled out to its people why such views and behaviour are unacceptable in a supposedly civilised country.
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From what I've been told there are some very racist views in the pit villiages of Country Durham. Lots of support for the EDL in places like Wingate so I've been told.
 
Nero said:
We were watching the replayed concert in my local last night. Quite a few of the regulars remembered it happening. I asked did it really make a difference? I don't think it did.
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Yeah I guess the point I was as trying to make was that a good percentage of people did seem to care about the plight of others on the other side of the world then. However, it seems like less so now with the genocide happening in Gaza and no one seems to be stopping it and even speaking out against seems upset quite a few people.

As to whether live aid helped Africa and the campaign to cancel the debt 20 years later did . I have no hard facts but yeah I would say so and number of people who are alive today would probably be dead, now, not sure if got to the root causes of poverty in Africa but it most of raised awareness
 
Sounds like the DMG is now a far right meeting place and you had a day Harry. Was there any political leaders in attendance? edit Just read the DMG I see JC was speaking and Fatah ambassador to the UK.
 
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Sounds like the DMG is now a far right meeting place and you had a day Harry. Was there any political leaders in attendance? edit
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Corbyn was there. The Palestinian Ambassador. Various union leaders (turnout for unions was very strong). Plus the guy from the Orgreave Truth & Justice Campaign.
 
HarryVegas said:
Was at the Durham Miners Gala yesterday. Among the guests were quite a large contingent from Palestine. There were cheers and there was support but there was also a fair amount of booing and abuse. I saw people shouting at them that they weren't welcome, go home etc. In addition someone who I'm close to marched with Palestinian people and they were spat at, sworn at and abused.

Is this who we are now, abusing a people who are literally being bombed out of existence, with our government supplying their attacker with weapons?

As an additional point, I had a guy with a MAGA hat shout to tell me I'm sinning against God because I wore a rainbow 'Love is love' t-shirt. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that I'm actually a straight dad and grandad who just believes in supporting folk who are routinely picked on by the likes of him.

Can't help thinking we'd be in better shape if we had leaders who led from the front and spelled out to its people why such views and behaviour are unacceptable in a supposedly civilised country.
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The country has been divided for more than a decade on culture war lines. when a new hot topic comes up, you can know how people will respond purely on which side of this fence they align.

On one side there are:
- Brexiteers
- 'patriots', I.e. cannot see any wrong this country has done and live union jacks
- hate and distrust the educated
- love king and country
- hate anti-semitism or anything anti-israel
- don't trust muslims and certainly don't want them here
- beleive that "stop the boats" will restore this countries fortunes for the poor
- Think Nigel Farage is a man of the people
- Think gettin are cuntry back is a strategy to restore wealth and power to a nameless bygone era
- Get angry at Pride flags and woke people
- Believe in free speach, just not free speech in favour of anything they dislike
- Think Trump is a genius
- Have **** taste in music

On the other side its:
- Don't believe that isolationism is a good strategy for a successful country
- Have a balanced view of acheivements and failures of this country
- Not really into waving the flag of our country, but are for waving Palestinian ones
- Generally apathetic at best about royalty
- hate anti-semitism but can see the difference between that and hating the actions of a foreign government
- Find the Israeli governments actions genocide and support the right for a free Palestine
- believe in multi-culturalism
- Think stop the boats is rhetoric and doesn't address the key issues and that we should allow some of the endangered people in the world access to a life here
- Think Nigel Farage is a duplicitous qunt
- Understand that there are no laws that the EU forced on us that had any meaningful negative effect
- support peoples right to lead their lives as they see fit and see being woke as better than being a **** as Kathy Burke once said
- believe that free speech has limits and personal responsibilities
- Know that Trump is a cult
- Have good to great taste in music

That's the culture war lines, pick your side
 
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