Palace and West Ham allegedly interested in Jones

Jones needs to improve but so does everyone else. Im critical of him because i dont think he does enough for the pace and trickery he has. He has shown he can be a lot better than what he has been for the latter part of last season and this.

Just because he shows up on a list the 7th best wing back in the division doesn't mean he is performing to HIS potential... far from it.

The reason we are in this position is because our key players are not performing at their level on a regular basis - Jones, Fry, Giles, Muniz, Dijksteel, Crooks

Although at this time selling isnt an option he and we need competition right now. Plus the likelihood that we can sell and replace him is slim while we are in this position.
 
Lewis wing season one why isn't Pulis playing him, he's the best player we have, must be worth at least 25 million build the team around him.
Season 2. He's **** he can't run properly liability needs dropping if someone puts a bid of 50k I'd drive him there myself
Isaiah Jones season one why isn't Warnock playing him best we have worth at least 30 million miles better than Spence
Season 2 he's ****, he was only good because people had never heard of him, can't pass or defend, is a liability, if we got a bid I'd drive him there myself
 
BoroMart said:
it was never meant to be Mowatt, we sold with a plan to replace with Onyeka, we should have got that over the line before allowing Tav to leave
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Signing a loan player to replace Tav is also not something Brentford would do.

And as I've said with Brentford, it wasn't the fact that they had a plan that let them punch above their weight, it was the fact that they were able to make the plan work.

Now we're just one of dozens of clubs trying to buy low sell high play fancy **** attacking football.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Signing a loan player to replace Tav is also not something Brentford would do.
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we are at a different part of the maturity cycle to where Brentford are right now or even where they have been for few years. It'll take 5 years for this to mature and there will be hits and misses along the way. Brentford had plenty of misses by the way players like Florian Jozefzoon, Andreas Bjelland, Josh McEchrean, they sold players like David Button and Will Grigg for well below market value. They didn't get it right straight away. What we have that they didn't is an academy system to supplement that.

They did figure out pretty quickly that having goalscorers in your side is a quick way to make significant profits. If you finish bottom half but take two lower league goalscorers for 1.2m and sell them within 2 years for 18m you're on a winner. They did that with Hogan and Andre Grey. They then repeated it with Maupay and Ollie Watkins, signing them for 3.4m and selling them for 48m.

Those 4 buy-to-sell transactions are the foundations of their promotion. invested 4.6m and turned it into a 62m profit. Maybe Hoppe and Forss are that start of a similar journey for us
 
BoroMart said:
we are at a different part of the maturity cycle to where Brentford are right now or even where they have been for few years. It'll take 5 years for this to mature and there will be hits and misses along the way. Brentford had plenty of misses by the way players like Florian Jozefzoon, Andreas Bjelland, Josh McEchrean, they sold players like David Button and Will Grigg for well below market value. They didn't get it right straight away. What we have that they didn't is an academy system to supplement that.

They did figure out pretty quickly that having goalscorers in your side is a quick way to make significant profits. If you finish bottom half but take two lower league goalscorers for 1.2m and sell them within 2 years for 18m you're on a winner. They did that with Hogan and Andre Grey. They then repeated it with Maupay and Ollie Watkins, signing them for 3.4m and selling them for 48m.

Those 4 buy-to-sell transactions are the foundations of their promotion. invested 4.6m and turned it into a 62m profit. Maybe Hoppe and Forss are that start of a similar journey for us
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They'll only be the start of that journey if they get game time.
 
BoroMart said:
we are at a different part of the maturity cycle to where Brentford are right now or even where they have been for few years. It'll take 5 years for this to mature and there will be hits and misses along the way. Brentford had plenty of misses by the way players like Florian Jozefzoon, Andreas Bjelland, Josh McEchrean, they sold players like David Button and Will Grigg for well below market value. They didn't get it right straight away. What we have that they didn't is an academy system to supplement that.

They did figure out pretty quickly that having goalscorers in your side is a quick way to make significant profits. If you finish bottom half but take two lower league goalscorers for 1.2m and sell them within 2 years for 18m you're on a winner. They did that with Hogan and Andre Grey. They then repeated it with Maupay and Ollie Watkins, signing them for 3.4m and selling them for 48m.

Those 4 buy-to-sell transactions are the foundations of their promotion. invested 4.6m and turned it into a 62m profit. Maybe Hoppe and Forss are that start of a similar journey for us
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Meanwhile the two strikers we signed are sat on the bench.

Having gone in for this model I don't think we should ditch it straight away.

But you can't just "do a Brentford". They did not get promoted because they had a model. They got promoted because they were good at that model.

We have shown no signs of being good at it so far. In fact our attempts to implement it have been piecemeal and confused. Like appointing a name manager who would not be happy in such a set up. Like signing 2 development strikers and having them sitting on the bench. Like signing a player from Argentina then relying on a phone app to speak to him. Like selling a key player without having plans in place to replace him, despite there being premier League interest in him for over a year.

And I don't think it's a good match for us. Brentford are in London. They don't have an academy.

I think we've entered into a crowded market. We've got to unearth talented footballers for little money in competition with every other club on the planet.

Look at what happened last time we tried it. All those players we signed young to sell on for a tidy profit like digard, aliadiere, hoyte, emnes, were all sold for a loss and we were relegated.

I'd much rather we did something we have been good at previously. Playing defensive organised football, with a coach other teams aren't going to poach, giving plenty of game time to our young players and picking up premier League rejects and players near the end of their contract.
 
BoroMart said:
I appreciated Tav, I think Jones is vastly over rated.

He has some excellent physical attributes, pace, balance and agility. But he lacks a football brain, constantly tries to cross the ball through players legs, when he does get a cross in it rarely beats the near post. Without possession he is a liability, goes to ground repeatedly and usually unsuccessfully. On the counter he doesn't seem to know where to run to create the space for others. He shows flashes, brilliant moments, but his consistency in decision making and execution is miles away from where it needs to be.

Have we got the time to let him develop into what he could be? Or do we need someone a bit more dependable right now?
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100% agree with this!!
 
GazC_MFC said:
I’d sell him tomorrow.
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I was watching Plymouth v Exeter yesterday and I’d say Bali Muamba is probably (currently) a better player than Jones.

However, wingers are imo the most erratic players you can have as they can easily be forced out of the game either through man-marking or how they absorb tough tackles.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
I was watching Plymouth v Exeter yesterday and I’d say Bali Muamba is probably (currently) a better player than Jones.

However, wingers are imo the most erratic players you can have as they can easily be forced out of the game either through man-marking or how they absorb tough tackles.
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What we’d give for a Ripley eh
 
Wishful thinking, but would much rather we built a side round Jones, Hackney, Coburn, Fry and Brynn than sought out more like Muniz, Steffen and Giles. For me that’s our DNA much more than giving other team’s players a game or throwing money at ‘marquee’ signings
 
indeedido said:
My primary worry is that Gibson will not reinvest the proceeds from a big fee - whoever it is that is sold.
Jones and Watmore are currently the only Boro players that entertain me.
If Jones were to be sold and replaced with Mowatt and Smith style signings, or Forss/Hoppe style prospects, then I would be sad.
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We would be down. As Is already threatened with no reinvestment after tav and spence.
 
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