Obvious offside last night - VAR anyone?

Miles offside from that video replay, and can't see why the linesman couldn't see it from where he was!

Still no to VAR though.
 
spanishman said:
Interesting. VAR has been in regular use in the Spanish equivalent of the championship (La Liga 2). For some time now.

By now it has just been accepted by the players, clubs and supporters. For the top 2 leagues in the country.

I know it is not perfect. However, in Spain, it has been shown to reduce the number of clearly wrong decisions. Like the Boro one.

Also like the possible sending off. If that should have been the right decision. (I have not seen it).
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They also had fascism until the late 70s so I don't think copying that bunch of crackpots is a good idea.
 
You don't need VAR for decisions like that, you need officials who are capable of keeping up with play. In that instance last night the assistants position was horrendous and it's not like he had to sprint from the halfway line to keep up with play.
We had a decent officiating team on Saturday that got all the big calls right so it can be done.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I’m a big fan of VAR.

The comment above about passion killer…

What passion last night? nothing to kill.
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When I say passion I mean when a goal is scored and you cheer you know instantly if the goal is going to stand and can put all your emotion and passion into cheering the goal when VAR is not used. When VAR is used yes you cheer when the ball goes into the net but you have to wait minutes before you can really celebrate the goal, by then the passion/emotion has been killed and it’s not the same feeling.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
When I say passion I mean when a goal is scored and you cheer you know instantly if the goal is going to stand and can put all your emotion and passion into cheering the goal when VAR is not used. When VAR is used yes you cheer when the ball goes into the net but you have to wait minutes before you can really celebrate the goal, by then the passion/emotion has been killed and it’s not the same feeling.
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Yes I do know what you are saying and I think you are right, a delayed goal celebration is not the same.

If the refs were better and mistakes were rare then I don’t think anyone would want VAR.

I think VAR only exists to prevent the big clubs suing the football authorities if bad decisions have cost them champions league places or cups etc. on the basis the technology is there to check the key decisions.

It’s all about money.
 
SmogonOuseburn said:
As someone very correctly put it on another thread “VAR should interfere on matters of fact, not judgement”. This would cover offside when a “goal” is scored, whether a foul was committed in the area or outside, whether a ball was out of play before a “goal” was scored or a blatant handball in the penalty area that the ref didn’t see. If VAR isn’t sure after 30 seconds, then go with the on field decision.
It worked well in the Euros. It could work well in Championship.
It doesn’t work well in Premier League because they analyse things to the nth degree and often take 5 minutes to decide someone is offside by 1mm.
Isn’t the Championship the 5th biggest league in Europe?
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Very few decisions are just issues of fact.

One of the things you mentioned is “blatant” handballs. But blatant is a subjective judgment. As is whether something is handball at all for so long as the law has elements of degree in it and doesn’t say that any time the ball touches the hand, it’s a foul.

And to decide whether a foul happens inside or outside the box you have to decide it’s foul in the first place, which is a subjective call. And you probably have to decide what sort of a foul it is. For example, a holding offence can be given as a penalty if it continues across the line. A handball can’t.

Even offsides can have a subjective element in relation to whether the player has interfered, although I would accept that last night obviously didn’t.

The only really objective decision is the goal line one. Which is probably why that’s the only bit of technology that hasn’t ever really been controversial.
 
Whilst the goal wouldn't have stood. A very strong chance McGree would have been sent off on review. So swings and roundabouts.

It's still a no from me.
 
FishofContemplation said:
One of the things you mentioned is “blatant” handballs. But blatant is a subjective judgment. As is whether something is handball at all for so long as the law has elements of degree in it and doesn’t say that any time the ball touches the hand, it’s a foul.
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If the ball touches the hand, it may or may not be a handball offence, but it's definitely not a foul.

As stated by the IFAB on their Football Rules website, at the following link.

Offences and sanctions

A foul is an unfair physical offence committed against an opponent, usually with the foot, leg, hand or arm but sometimes with another part of the body such as the hip or shoulder.
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Offences that are not committed against an opponent are not fouls, e.g. handball, offside.
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futureboy said:
Had McGree been sent off, we would've played 70 mins of the game with 10 men. But instead Hamilton came on to replace him, which was largely the same thing.
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I’m not having all this sheet about Hammo leave the lad alone he’s a joy to watch and you knockers will bow down in time
 
Malaguena said:
Interesting what would have happened if we had had to play for 70 minutes with 10 men - wonder if Blackburn would have been a bit more ambitious, and therefore more open for us
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The same would have happened as when Boro played Coventry.

As usual the ref is criticised on here, but Blackburn looked far more likely to score. The first offside decision went for Boro, the second against Boro. The McGree incident went for Boro. It looked like a red card lunge.

At the other end Boro only created one good chance which Hamilton blasted into row Z.

Playing AT Boro is so simple. Just get the Mark Robins blueprint off eBay and stick to it, and you get at least a point. There's probably a money back guarantee on it by now.

It would be great to see something different but we all know that on Saturday it'll be the same old ponderous thousand pass build up leading to a throw in.
 
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