No way is that a penalty in the Liverpool game. VAR is pathetic.!

It's not VAR that's pathetic it people viewing it. Ref went to look and still got it wrong. Officials are useless.
Refs are the crucial point of the VAR process, if they are useless then the whole process is useless and falls down.

It needs scrapping until refs are not useless, held accountable for their decisions and the thought processes/communications between VAR & on field ref are available in live time.
 
Refs are the crucial point of the VAR process, if they are useless then the whole process is useless and falls down.

It needs scrapping until refs are not useless, held accountable for their decisions and the thought processes/communications between VAR & on field ref are available in live time.

And who is the arbiter of referee uselessness?

The referee viewed multiple replays and still came to the wrong decision, mistakes happen and will always happen regardless of VAR.

VAR just gives another dimension for complaints, which conversely was one of the perceived problems with VAR before it's introduction. No talking points down the pub!

Both refereeing and VAR need to continually improve, scrapping VAR will just return everything to square one with the fans of the first bad call screaming of the injustice of it all.
 
I think there are actually more wrong decisions now with VAR.
How stupid was the City VAR decision last night no penalty given as foul was said to be an inch outside the box (looked on line to me which is classed as in box) but City don’t get free kick because the ref didn’t give it originally. Surely the ref has made a mistake in not giving foul so VAR should overrule him wether it is a penalty or free kick on edge of box.
Do we want the right decision or do we want the ref not to be wrong.
 
There is a clip on twitter showing Cavani as offside it must be a frame or 2 after the VAR clip and Cavani has moved forward but the ball still looks like it hasn’t left Martials foot.
This is a big problem with VAR for me, how do they decide when the ball has actually left the passers foot and in which frame. It is very much a guess to me.
 
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The thing with Kane’s ‘goal’ is that he watched Mason Mount ‘ease’ a Spurs defender into the advertising hoardings, which is clearly dangerous play, and did nothing but blows for a foul on Thiago Silva. At what point is he deciding contact is a foul? Or how the VAR checked for a possible red card for Doherty but don’t even give a foul for it.

It is bizarre.
 
There are as many discussions about wrong VAR decisions as there used to be about wrong refereeing decisions.
So what’s the point 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
The thing with Kane’s ‘goal’ is that he watched Mason Mount ‘ease’ a Spurs defender into the advertising hoardings, which is clearly dangerous play, and did nothing but blows for a foul on Thiago Silva. Or how they check for a possible red card for Doherty but don’t even give a foul for it.

It is bizarre.

So you think VAR should both go and get more involved?
 
So you think VAR should both go and get more involved?
No. I just wonder how it works because I don’t see how you can give a free kick against Kane but not Mount, and how you could watch that Doherty tackle back to see if he has to be sent off but not even give free kick for it.

I think VAR should be removed from football first thing tomorrow morning. I also wonder at what point Paul Tiernet decides contact is a foul.
 
And who is the arbiter of referee uselessness?

The referee viewed multiple replays and still came to the wrong decision, mistakes happen and will always happen regardless of VAR.

VAR just gives another dimension for complaints, which conversely was one of the perceived problems with VAR before it's introduction. No talking points down the pub!

Both refereeing and VAR need to continually improve, scrapping VAR will just return everything to square one with the fans of the first bad call screaming of the injustice of it all.
Well a starting point for the definition of useless is the VAR today somehow deciding that what he saw was (a) a clear and obvious error by the on field ref despite having to spend several minutes watching replays to convince himself of that and (b) the on field ref actually agreeing with the VAR that he had made a mistake.

I said it needs scrapping until the refs can work the system properly, explain their decisions properly in real time to the crowd/TV audience and are held accountable for making the kind of errors they both made today. I'm happy to have a VAR system but it needs to be ran by people who are competent and know what they're doing.
 
No. I just wonder how it works because I don’t see how you can give a free kick against Kane but not Mount, and how you could watch that Doherty tackle back to see if he has to be sent off but not even give free kick for it.

I think VAR should be removed from football first thing tomorrow morning. I also wonder at what point Paul Tiernet decides contact is a foul.

So basically, you don't know how VAR works so you think it needs removing?

VAR is not there to check for free kicks in open play, it also can't give yellow cards which for Doherty (yes clear red for me) was probably all the VAR official determined it to be therefore never got involved, the right or wrong is still on the officials which is the ultimate issue with everything.
 
Well a starting point for the definition of useless is the VAR today somehow deciding that what he saw was (a) a clear and obvious error by the on field ref despite having to spend several minutes watching replays to convince himself of that and (b) the on field ref actually agreeing with the VAR that he had made a mistake.

I said it needs scrapping until the refs can work the system properly, explain their decisions properly in real time to the crowd/TV audience and are held accountable for making the kind of errors they both made today. I'm happy to have a VAR system but it needs to be ran by people who are competent and know what they're doing.

A system involving humans will always have errors, there will never be a perfect system and people will always complain, generally based on their own bias.

That will never happen, regardless of VAR. What you're proposing is for the FA/FIFA to admit their officials are poor and remove a system designed to help, which will never happen.
 
As gene hunt sez.
They are not using it right.
They don’t want to get the correct decision they just want to make the referees seem to be right or not wrong
 
He didn't change direction but it was a straightforward collision. When you've got the most biased scouser in history saying it's never a penalty that tells you something.
Personally, I feel he moves
As i keep saying, everything thats wrong in football

Probably the worst thing to happen to the greed is good of football
There is nothing wrong at all with VAR when it is used correctly, it is the fools using it that is wrong.
 
A system involving humans will always have errors, there will never be a perfect system and people will always complain, generally based on their own bias.

That will never happen, regardless of VAR. What you're proposing is for the FA/FIFA to admit their officials are poor and remove a system designed to help, which will never happen.
There's errors and downright incompetence which is what we saw today. Spending several minutes convincing himself of an infringement that never happened isn't a error.

I know that FA/FIFA will never remove it, but a system that continually makes mistakes cannot be allowed to continue as is.

Imagine todays decision was in a Boro match and cost us promotion.........................................
 
It's a bad idea introduced to solve a problem that only exists in the minds of TV pundits over enamoured of dissecting incidents lasting fractions of seconds in ultra slow motion to prove themselves right.

It spoils watching a game of football on the TV, I can only imagine how much fun it is to wait several minutes in a stadium whist an incident is analysed over and over until a mistake is found to then give us the pantomime of the ref reviewing his decision on the telly. What a spectacle!

IF we have to have it, and I believe passionately that we do not, then it should be challenge based. So, to take the example of Michael Oliver at OT, then the challenge might have been that there was an offside, we look for that and nothing else and if it wasn't offside, we move on, no looking for anything else that the ref might have missed.
 
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