Paddy_Murphy
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One of the best posts I’ve ever read lefty
spot on lefty, spot on.I'll fight for the right for people to have and use their vote......but I too will call them out if they do it with without due care and attention to what the outcomes will beI'm fine with people having different values. I'm not fine with people being too lazy, too gullible, or too blinkered by overpowering emotions to actually utilize their usual intelligence. I am against stupidity when it affects me. Aren't you?
No such thing
sorry, that's nonsense, there really isn't a silent vote for Trump, his supporters are very vocal, even the white collar workers in white collar towns in offices full of Trump haters make it known.
The electoral college is a nightmare. We think our system needs changing but the Democrats have to win 3 million more votes just to have an equal start.
but that goes both ways, Biden people in republican areas and Trump people in Democrat areas. But I believe the numbers to be fairly small. I've never seen so much open politicising in america. People have been constantly harping on in person and on social media about their beliefs for the last 5 years, since before the last election. Social media has actually drastically reduced the concept of silent voters, because once you share stuff on line then your FB friends in real life know your stance and the arguments start and the entrenched views are overt.Hmmm, not one to speak up for one of our pet right wingers on here, but that's not really true.
In my 4 years in America I only found a handful of people who were willing to admit they voted for Trump, and 3 of those were in a swimming pool in Mexico rather than in California. The couple of people I came across who were willing to admit it were mocked and almost treated as pariah's.
Now it could just be I didn't come across many Trump voters, but I'm more willing to bet that there's people who've kept their choices under their hat simply to avoid confrontation.
Hmmm, not one to speak up for one of our pet right wingers on here, but that's not really true.
In my 4 years in America I only found a handful of people who were willing to admit they voted for Trump, and 3 of those were in a swimming pool in Mexico rather than in California. The couple of people I came across who were willing to admit it were mocked and almost treated as pariah's.
Now it could just be I didn't come across many Trump voters, but I'm more willing to bet that there's people who've kept their choices under their hat simply to avoid confrontation.
Disgusting treatment at that too.The treatment Chris Pratt has had on social media makes me think this is probably true, more so this election than last.
The USA is a very big place and the electoral college system is there to make sure that votes from rural farming areas count just as much as votes from prosperous, heavily populated urban areas. The electoral college evens up geography, societal differences and prosperity differences to keep everyone's vote relevant.
The shocking stupid people you describe in my family alone, include; a PhD, 4 Masters, 3 BA's, three nurses, a teacher, all voted to leave. You lost your argument when you needed to insult.There is the same failure of critical thinking, that inability to put reason above emotion, that drives all our most stupid decisions. If we don't all learn that, or should I say re-learn it, we are doomed not just as a nation, but as a species and many others with it. My distaste is for that, not the people themselves. This was not a difference in values, which brexiters, still unable to confront their own flawed 'reasoning', tell themselves this was. I'm fine with people having different values. I'm not fine with people being too lazy, too gullible, or too blinkered by overpowering emotions to actually utilize their usual intelligence. I am against stupidity when it affects me. Aren't you?
On a different issue, with the right buttons pushed, I could and no doubt will be just as stupid, because we are all governed by our nature. Evolution has given us powerful instincts as a shortcut to get us through life and pass on our genes, but our instincts are not always right. That is why our brain evolved to sometimes be able to counter that and thousands of years of great minds have built on one another to arrive at a better method for decision making where the issue is not life or death and need not be made in an instant.
Critical thinking isn't easy, it's a skill. We all have it, but sometimes we don't use it. You didn't on Brexit and neither did 17.4 million others. Not one of you. You need to have the humility to be prepared to ask yourself why on earth you thought it was a good idea to ignore experts - I'm sure you don't usually - and believe that Nigel Farage and the most appalling wing of the Conservative Party had your best interests and the best interests of the NHS at heart. You'd have thought the last 4 years of the people who led you into this mess not actually having any competence, or German car manufacturers riding to the rescue, would have given you pause, but it seems not. We are going to have to experience the full sh1tshow it seems. Even then you'll probably struggle to deal with the cognitive dissonance and avoid it.
Don't go whingeing at me for pointing out your shocking stupidity and ignorance, I'm not being nasty believe it or not. I want us all to learn from it because otherwise we can't correct our mistakes and avoid bigger ones in the future. Eff me, you spun a coin in the voting booth and shafted my son's generations future. I'm pretty restrained considering that.
does it though? It appears to mean rural votes count more than city votes.
A vote in Wyoming appears to be worth more than 3 votes in California.
It would surely be fairer if each vote just counted one? That way, in a tight election, everyone's vote would count, not just those living in marginal states?
The electoral college ensures that - to be elected - a candidate has to have support right across the country AND within the population. That's the whole point. 60% of the American population live east of the Mississippi. If it was just done on a popular vote, states like Wyoming wouldn't matter at all.
Very difficult to see why it takes 3 people in NY to be worth 1 in WY.I see the sticking point here being the attachment to the concept of States.
I know Americans may see this differently, but it necessary for states to vote as blocks?
If it's just a straight count of votes across the country, the half million votes or so in Wyoming can be very important.
Furthermore, the votes of both sides in what are currently safe states would also be important.
The electoral college ensures that - to be elected - a candidate has to have support right across the country AND within the population. That's the whole point. 60% of the American population live east of the Mississippi. If it was just done on a popular vote, states like Wyoming wouldn't matter at all.