New police guidelines on 'reasonable excuse' to go out

The past of the guidance ‘it is lawful to drive for exercise’

you have a perceived higher moral compass, that’s fine everyone is different. Not sure you should be asking people to question themselves when operating within the law and within the guidance

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There is no wrong or right
You do what you want within the guidelines of social distancing
 
dooderooni said:
If you can exercise safely locally but you choose to travel for exercise then you are essentially making a non-essential journey and by default exploiting a loophole or vagueness in the guidelines. That is the choice of the individual and why I suggested that people should ask themselves some questions.
If you get stopped and questioned as to why you are not near your home then you can explain your reasoning to the police and let them judge the merits.
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The problem is, if stopped, people will just laugh and say they were going to or coming from an exercise session in the locality they get stopped, whether they were or not. They will blindly quote ‘their rights’ to do so. Excuses will already be thought through and they will giggle like schoolboys on social media later as to how clever they were.

In reality, I really should just not care about it and just bother about my family and friends, but it is hard to ignore the stupid as they stick out like a sore thumb, they can not see that non essential travel means increased risk to them and others they come into contact with. What if they break down, that means interaction with a recovery vehicle operative, a crash would have all sorts of connotations on themselves and others, emergency workers and hospital staff potentially too. At best it is pure selfishness at worst it is risking the safety and lives of themselves and others. The it’ll never happen to me brigade.
 
The government is winning by a mile.
Everyone arguing with everyone else about intrrpreyation
coluka said:
The problem is, if stopped, people will just laugh and say they were going to or coming from an exercise session in the locality they get stopped, whether they were or not. They will blindly quote ‘their rights’ to do so. Excuses will already be thought through and they will giggle like schoolboys on social media later as to how clever they were.

In reality, I really should just not care about it and just bother about my family and friends, but it is hard to ignore the stupid as they stick out like a sore thumb, they can not see that non essential travel means increased risk to them and others they come into contact with. What if they break down, that means interaction with a recovery vehicle operative, a crash would have all sorts of connotations on themselves and others, emergency workers and hospital staff potentially too. At best it is pure selfishness at worst it is risking the safety and lives of themselves and others. The it’ll never happen to me brigade.
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Excercising locally isn’t necessary tho is it?
It’s allowed.
 
1finny said:
Excercising locally isn’t necessary tho is it?
It’s allowed.
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Personally i think exercise is essential to everyones health and well being. The obesity crisis is bad enough as it is. It is proven to assist mental health wellbeing too and in a form of lockdown, more so. Surprised you don't feel it is essential, health deteriorates if it does not happen.
 
That’s part of the problem here ‘personally’. And, I agree with people taking personal responsibility.
I don’t like the idea of taking personal responsibility but believing others who follow a different personal responsibility are somehow being irresponsible - subject to social distancing guidelines etc
You can, of course, exercise at home.
Walking to the shops to buy meat, crisps, snacks, biscuits, lottery, booze etc - isn’t necessary either.
 
coluka said:
Personally i think exercise is essential to everyones health and well being. The obesity crisis is bad enough as it is. It is proven to assist mental health wellbeing too and in a form of lockdown, more so. Surprised you don't feel it is essential, health deteriorates if it does not happen.
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People are having to improvise and are finding ways of exercising at home in Spain.
 
spanishman said:
People are having to improvise and are finding ways of exercising at home in Spain.
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Yes but you can't go for a run or a walk if you live in a small apartment with other people. What if you don't have a garden or even a balcony or live in a small flat, like hundreds of thousands of families, a youtube exercise video in your front room just won't work, especially for those with small kids. Prolonged periods of time indoor without the ability to exercise properly will literally drive people insane and have a huge impact on mental health.
 
1finny said:
Walking to the shops to buy meat, crisps, snacks, biscuits, lottery, booze etc - isn’t necessary either.
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I can't agree with that. I have to walk to the shops to buy those products because even after 3 weeks of trying, I cannot get a delivery or click and collect slot and I do not want to visit a large supermarket with multiple people, some of whom can't grasp what social distancing means, so how else am I supposed to buy groceries? I prefer to support my local businesses who take social distancing seriously and only allow a small number of people in the shop at any one time to enable us to keep 2m apart. You might view that list as luxury items, but they're really not and there's no communication to suggest anyone has to live on just bread and milk
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
Yes but you can't go for a run or a walk if you live in a small apartment with other people. What if you don't have a garden or even a balcony or live in a small flat, like hundreds of thousands of families, a youtube exercise video in your front room just won't work, especially for those with small kids. Prolonged periods of time indoor without the ability to exercise properly will literally drive people insane and have a huge impact on mental health.
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That is what the Spanish government has gone for. For a limited period of time. For the good of everyone.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
I can't agree with that. I have to walk to the shops to buy those products because even after 3 weeks of trying, I cannot get a delivery or click and collect slot and I do not want to visit a large supermarket with multiple people, some of whom can't grasp what social distancing means, so how else am I supposed to buy groceries? I prefer to support my local businesses who take social distancing seriously and only allow a small number of people in the shop at any one time to enable us to keep 2m apart. You might view that list as luxury items, but they're really not and there's no communication to suggest anyone has to live on just bread and milk
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I’m afraid most of that stuff on the list is not essential - no matter how you look at it.
Nice to have - yes.
Sorry, should have said ‘personally speaking’
 
So what are the essential items I should be buying, and is it reasonable for me to eat only those items and nothing else?
 
finny, I don't want to second guess you, but are you saying a walk to the shops specifically for those things is not essential? Such as going to put the lottery on on Tuesday, then going to get some booze on Wednesday, popping out for a bag of crisps on Thursday etc?
 
Dood
For me that would be bang out of order.
Equally - if you pop to the shops and only buy some crisps, snacks, booze and biscuits, that’s in the ‘allowable’ not necessary.
If you buy a balanced round of fruit n veg and put some other stuff in then I can prob get my head round it because the main purpose of leaving the house was to get a balanced diet for the family and you have popped some ‘treats’ in.
 
Perhaps I misunderstood? I would certainly not go out just for those items. We try to limit it to once maybe twice a week for shopping when we require bread, milk, shampoo, shít tickets, but we pick up snacks and other groceries when we do and it means we have to go to 2 shops because our local shop has an 8 beer and 1 bottle of wine limit, and with the best will in the world, that won't last us a week so if rather hit 2 shops and go out once a week than 1 shop records week. Plus we can't always get everything in 1 shop, some seem to get things others can't and vice versa
 
1finny said:
Dood
For me that would be bang out of order.
Equally - if you pop to the shops and only buy some crisps, snacks, booze and biscuits, that’s in the ‘allowable’ not necessary.
If you buy a balanced round of fruit n veg and put some other stuff in then I can prob get my head round it because the main purpose of leaving the house was to get a balanced diet for the family and you have popped some ‘treats’ in.
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That's what I thought (y)
Me being me means I have to be organised and so my big shop is a single shop and the only other trip during the week will be for milk because I haven't enough room to store a week's worth of milk unfortunately. I've started my shopping list for Friday already and if I can't get it in Morrisons then I don't get it.
Lottery is done online.
 
1finny said:
Artie - what ever you think is essential is fine by me
I think the stuff I mentioned isn’t essential
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I'm genuinely not looking to get into a daft argument, but, for example, what are you having for tea? Does it entirely comprise of essential items? There are no guidelines on what is deemed essential produce to my knowledge
 
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