He's tried his way for 5 years, failed in two elections, and also lost a Remain vote, it's not a good track record. All this will unfortunately do is sabotage the next election.
His election attempts were sabotaged by the current Labour government and then he was unceremoniously dumped out of the party - why should he be in any way bothered about Labour's next election result? And he didn't lose a Remain vote - by any metric you care to measure, the people he was responsible for voted predominantly for Remain.
What's he going to do about the right wing reform vote, hell bent on immigration, other than stir them into action?
What's he going to do about the old/ rich right wing Tory vote, who will actively vote against him?
What's he going to do about green energy and the greens? Is he going to try and take their vote share? Is that a good thing?
He'll explain why immigration isn't the problem people seem to think it is (and that's not to say it isn't a problem). Some Reform voters might listen.
He'll set out a manifesto which will lead to a better, fairer, safer society for everyone - some Tories won't care. Some might listen.
What is Starmer doing about green energy and the greens? Is he going to try and take their vote share? Is that a good thing?
We've next to no influence over there anyway, so unsure what Corbyn would do any different, which would actually make any difference to UK policy as a minor party, never mind what difference it would actually make over there.
Corbyn would stop the recon/intelligence flights out of Cyprus.
I asked someone who says they are on the left on here what they would do if they knew Reform were 1 vote ahead of Labour - and they said vote for someone else , as Reform would be the voters’ preference and tactical voting would not be correct
There was a fairly long and nuanced conversation about what was a fairly clumsy analogy. If the options were the "Feed Children to Dogs" party or a Reform manifesto stating the Farage would be set up as "UK President For Life" would you allow the "Feed Children to Dogs" party to win, given the deciding vote, or would you tick the box to make Farage the Head of State?
Only Labour have that chance really and that chance might be slim if people chose ideology, over what is realistic or logical.
Surely what is realistic and/or logical is a direct result of ideological choice? What is realistic or logical about targeting pensioners and the disabled? It's only realistic and logical to people that follow a similar ideology to Starmer/Reeves/Labour.
This new party is a total waste of time. It will be gone after the next GE.
So why worry?
This just seems like a spiteful inside hatchet job, he had his chance, just let the bloke who actually won get on with it.
I didn't hear you saying the same thing when the Labour MPs started to drip-feed their resignations the day Corbyn became party leader. Funny that...
But loads of the Tory MP's and voters wanted May out, do you not remember?
No, I don't remember because you've just made this up. Some of the far-right cranks (Rees-Mogg et al) might not have been entirely happy with the way Brexit was going but the party was fully behind the snap election because the polls showed a 20 point lead and it meant they'd have free-reign over the Brexit negotiations. May was more than comfortable as PM until the results of that election came in.
A big problem through all of this was the brexit 2016 vote though, and Corbyn was so weak on this it was a joke
Again, you're just making stuff up. Corbyn wasn't charged with delivering Remain. He was largely excluded from the official Remain campaign and still managed to get himself round the country to bang the drum - despite his well known, and well explained, reservations about the EU.
The problem with all of that is the state of the public finances. Labour can’t do what we would like them to do because the money isn’t there. Reform and Corbyn could try but will probably bankrupt the country and we are all foooooooked.
We had a taster of spending promises under Truss albeit for different policies. The markets spooked and interest rates went up. If Labour start doing things like wealth taxes, some people will leave and take their businesses with them, it has failed elsewhere. Those that stay get taxed more, interest rates up, mortgages go up, food, trades prices, everything rockets hurting the poor the most. Debt service, pensions and benefits are getting unaffordable. It is a mess and I don’t think anyone has a clue what to do really. I am sure nobody on here is clever enough either, despite what they think they know. I fear for the youth of today in particular anyone under 30.
The voting public do not think and vote rationally, populism seems to trump rationality nowadays.
The UK can't be bankrupted. There is money available for anything Labour (or any other party) decide they want to spend money on. That's how our system works. If it didn't then we'd all have been foooooooked a long time ago.
Truss wanted increased spending/borrowing without any significant taxation (along with a bunch of de-regulation). It's light-years away from anything Corbyn (or Labour) are ever likely to try.
Capital Flight is a myth - as has been shown on here every time it's come up on these threads. Wealth taxes are an absolute requirement for any attempt to make society a better, fairer place for the majority. Why do so many people feel they need to simp for billionaires?
None of it is complicated. All of it is ideological. The problem is that MPs
know that the economy doesn't run in any way like a household budget, but tie themselves up in knots using that analogy. Nothing is unaffordable.
