New party latest.

Alzi said:
Shame he couldn't bring any of that quality during the Brexit referendum. I suspect he was as glad as Farage about that outcome though so maybe he did play a blinder.

Glad he's up to speed on his new party now though. Well almost anyway.
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Don’t blame Corbyn for Brexit.

The Tory PM, Chancellor, the Labour Party, the Lib Dem’s, the SNP, the Bank of England, all advised against coming out of the EU.

But a certain age group, many of them past working age, knew better.
 
This is really interesting. People know my opinion on Corbyn, I voted for him to be leader, then voted against him twice in leadership elections. Not because I disagreed with lots of what he was saying, just that he didn't know how to run a party, and lets be honest, if you can't run a party, then what chance have you got running a country?

I don't think Corbyn can be leader of this new party, but It'll be certainly be intersting to see if it develops.

I've been a Labour party member for over 40 years, I've chaired my local party, and now I'm an elected official, with executive responsibilities, I've 100% faith in my local party and indeed for the first time in over 20 years, I'm excited about the improvements that are coming down the line, under this labour government and locally, council.
 
jetpropelledgiraffe said:
Not at all...it's just this is the mess that Conservative and Labour governments have made of the country. Both parties are to blame.
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Both parties are to blame???? Tories in power for 14yrs Labour for 1yr!! Nothing was going to get sorted immediately. They are going to make mistakes along the way but I can't understand people saying they are the same as the Tories. Just don't see it
 
I just don't get Starmer and his cabinet. I can understand politicians adopting certain policies for cynical political gain. But Starmers policies are nuts. They are hugely damaging. He is making the Labour party unelectable. Maybe this new party will bring about change
 
That’s my vote sorted in Stockton South sorted. I’ll be encouraging my partner and family members to do the same. All of whom are life long Labour voters. Finally a party who share our values rather than simply pretending to*.

*with noticeable exceptions.

I’ll be very tempted to get involved at a local grassroots level to get it up and running in SS 👍🏻

FWIW, I think they’ll get a relatively significant vote share but spread across the country.
 
Corbyn will get a lot of votes from young people such as students. Probably take a quarter of Labours vote away and some green votes ?

iIt will be interesting to have a socialist party as a political choice. The current Labour Party don't appear left wing. more in the centre of politics.

The key for me is getting more working class people and young people to vote and just take more an interest in what is happening around them and what is not happening. In 1945 working class people and young people did vote for and they wanted a better society with more opportunities for all and a safety net for those who were struggling. WW2 has shown many working class people how the other half lived and showed what was possible when a country worked together as one.
 
redrobbo said:
I just don't get Starmer and his cabinet. I can understand politicians adopting certain policies for cynical political gain. But Starmers policies are nuts. They are hugely damaging. He is making the Labour party unelectable. Maybe this new party will bring about change
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Small point (and you prob mean this) ‘some’ of his policies….

Just my view - he’s done a lot of good stuff

It’s what I call the non traditional Labour policies - punching down on those with disabilities, rivers of blood speech, Palestine …..which he has got badly wrong.

Those are ‘hearts and minds’ policies and, frankly, little to do with the public coffers.
 
Andy_W said:
I don't know much, about Israel/ Palestine/ Gaza/ Hamas etc, but it all seems very complicated.
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Strangely The Guardian said something similar today. I know your comments were part of a bigger post but had you seen the Guardian today.

www.theguardian.com

Ben Jennings on starvation in Gaza – cartoon

Hamas sends a ceasefire proposal to the Israeli government as famine threatens Palestinians’ lives
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
TheLodger said:
This is really interesting. People know my opinion on Corbyn, I voted for him to be leader, then voted against him twice in leadership elections. Not because I disagreed with lots of what he was saying, just that he didn't know how to run a party, and lets be honest, if you can't run a party, then what chance have you got running a country?

I don't think Corbyn can be leader of this new party, but It'll be certainly be intersting to see if it develops.

I've been a Labour party member for over 40 years, I've chaired my local party, and now I'm an elected official, with executive responsibilities, I've 100% faith in my local party and indeed for the first time in over 20 years, I'm excited about the improvements that are coming down the line, under this labour government and locally, council.
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Labour and Starmer are doing ok, it was never going to be easy after 14 years of Tory and right/far right mismanagement of the country.
 
MolteniArcore said:
This new party is a total waste of time. It will be gone after the next GE.
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It is a waste of time but Corbyn and followers are entitled to a voice and the right wing media will give him one in the hope it splits the Labour vote (which it won’t, Corbyn will be nearly is 80 years old by the next election, he has had his day).
 
asredastheycome said:
Strangely The Guardian said something similar today. I know your comments were part of a bigger post but had you seen the Guardian today.

www.theguardian.com

Ben Jennings on starvation in Gaza – cartoon

Hamas sends a ceasefire proposal to the Israeli government as famine threatens Palestinians’ lives
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Nah, I don't pay for news, so hadn't read it.

Can see the image though, and it's a silly oversimplification, clearly designed that way to stir things up. Not acknowledging it is complicated is odd.

The situation of who has rights to whatever land is complicated (couldn't really be more complicated), it has changed hands plenty of times, a lot of it was down to us after WW1, was that a reset?
Than after WW2 (was that a reset?) we then effectively gave it up and they didn't agree to the UN split, so they had a war, Egypt took over and were then fighting with Israel. Israel left in 2005 and Hamas "won" the election in 2007, that's where a lot of the problems come from it seems. Hamas have big problems with Israel and vice versa, and the Palestinians who don't support Hamas are caught up in it, it seems like a three way problem, and clearly all sides disagree.
 
HolgateCorner said:
It is a waste of time but Corbyn and followers are entitled to a voice and the right wing media will give him one in the hope it splits the Labour vote (which it won’t, Corbyn will be nearly is 80 years old by the next election, he has had his day).
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Well Corbyn is three years younger than Trump and six years younger than Biden but who is to say that he will even be leader at the next GE. The Important thing is that we have another party championing the things laid out in the announcement.
 
1finny said:
Not according to a poll which was done when this was first mooted - from memory it said Reform could lose around 2%.
Labour were set to lose 3%.
I think another poll has also been done since saying Labour could lose more.

Polls like this are notoriously difficult tho - too many ‘ifs and buts’ in the questions.

Broader point - some on the left do drift ‘right’ when they aren’t heard.
They will find a home in the new party.
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So the party will have 5%, or are they banking on taking some Greens, Lib Dems and Tories too? This will still leave it as a Reform v Labour battle? If Labour's vote gets split then it won't even be a contest.

For reform to lose, to Corbyn, it would need to be actual voters who voted last time, but how many extra would now come out and vote for the right to prevent Corbyn? My guess is a lot, the right hate the guy more than anyone.

I'll have a look at these polls later, but it's too early days I think.

Those on the left are heard, with the greens, and Labour is seemingly doing what they can, within a budget, with high debt, with predicted crap growth, so not sure what people were expecting after a year? People saying Labour have been like 14 years of the Tories is laughable, and the fact they try that on says a lot about them.

The main folk who drift right are previous generations (before Millennials), who shifted right as they got more cash in their pockets. Millennials and others after are drifting further left over time, problem is they're massively outnumbered.

The one who does least for the left is the one who loses power to the right, or can't win it back. This will not win it back after it means Labour lose to Reform/ Tories. Starmer has already done, and will do more for the left of anyone on any side, since when Blair and Brown were in control, as he knew how to win, and actually won, and the left just won't admit it.

No point having a home, if it's permanently on the losing side, which it will be in FPTP.
 
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