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jetpropelledgiraffe
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Real change is coming...it's called Reform 
TeessideCleveland
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While I suspect you’re happier about than me I certainly agree with you
Wiseman_Vaughn
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yep! This just adds to Labour's problems
Andy_W
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I get his points, but he just isn't realistic and he doesn't seem to get that we have a large right wing contingent, which wins the election 2/3rds of the time.
The second largest paragraph on the first page is about Palestine, but the UK people just don't see that as a priority, it's pretty much last on a long list.
He's tried his way for 5 years, failed in two elections, and also lost a Remain vote, it's not a good track record. All this will unfortunately do is sabotage the next election.
Mad that he's banging on about "this government" when this one is actually doing a lot more good (in one year) than it did when he was in charge (for 5 years), and far better than the Tories, who will make Reform look like a walk in the park.
He will also need "this government" to be on his side as he's not going to get anywhere near a majority, and won't make the top two parties, he would be lucky to be a 30/70 partnership with Labour. More likely though (with this party and FPTP) is a Reform majority partnership with the Tories.
What's he going to do about the right wing reform vote, hell bent on immigration, other than stir them into action?
What's he going to do about the old/ rich right wing Tory vote, who will actively vote against him?
What's he going to do about green energy and the greens? Is he going to try and take their vote share? Is that a good thing?
A genuine question for those with knowledge on the subject.
What would the impact be if we did ever cut ties with say the USA and Israel. It seems you are either with them or against them and regardless of what they do, we are with them (by no way saying we have been perfect) but if a party came in that stopped dealing with Israel and say stood up the USA would would be the impact to us and is it better the devil you know situation?
What would the impact be if we did ever cut ties with say the USA and Israel. It seems you are either with them or against them and regardless of what they do, we are with them (by no way saying we have been perfect) but if a party came in that stopped dealing with Israel and say stood up the USA would would be the impact to us and is it better the devil you know situation?
StrelectricDave
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This could see Reform over the line. Well done Jeremy, Farage will be happy
It's all lining up nicely for Reform!
I couldn't see a way that they could get more than the LibDem level of MPs as an absolute maximum anytime in Farage's lifetime but an incompetent Labour government, a busted flush Tory party and then a JC Party taking 10% of the Labour vote across the board and all of a sudden I can see a way that they could end up largest party at the next election
I couldn't see a way that they could get more than the LibDem level of MPs as an absolute maximum anytime in Farage's lifetime but an incompetent Labour government, a busted flush Tory party and then a JC Party taking 10% of the Labour vote across the board and all of a sudden I can see a way that they could end up largest party at the next election
Andy_W
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I don't know much, about Israel/ Palestine/ Gaza/ Hamas etc, but it all seems very complicated.
But as for the USA, going against those wouldn't be good overall, for us at least. You don't need to go against them though, we could just not go "with" them.
Labour have been condemning Israel though, they've cut supplies and licences, pushing for more aid, as well as pushing for a cease fire and a land agreement, so it's not like they've been loading Israel's rockets telling them to blow more stuff up, liek some seem to claim Labour are doing. We've next to no influence over there anyway, so unsure what Corbyn would do any different, which would actually make any difference to UK policy as a minor party, never mind what difference it would actually make over there.
Obviously we're not mates with Iran either, like the US isn't, and would likely back Israel against Iran, so not sure how we would handle that either?
TeessideCleveland
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I asked someone who says they are on the left on here what they would do if they knew Reform were 1 vote ahead of Labour - and they said vote for someone else , as Reform would be the voters’ preference and tactical voting would not be correct
So I think this new party can only help Reform - because I don’t think they will be getting many votes from those currently saying they’ll vote Reform
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There is/was an easy way to prevent this. Labour could have been Labour-like in any way and then there would be no need for this party. A 3-way contest between Labour, Tories and Reform already guarantees us right-wing economics indefinitely. At least having the option on the table will mean Labour have to react leftwards for a change instead of just chasing the right. Hopefully this will see a change in the voting system from FPTP to Proportional Representation.
There is no point in Labour winning power every couple of elections if they are jus going to act the same way as the Tories would anyway.
Wiseman_Vaughn
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Part of the problem was that nobody knew what Labour stood for before the last election. They were incredibly tight lipped. Now we know that there is very little difference to the last lot. I can see them haemorrhaging support which will lead to Labour mps jumping ship.
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Little difference to the tories?! Have a word mate.
Capybara
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Plenty of people knew what they would be like and tried to tell you on here. But we were told: "Just vote Labour and everything will be all right."
Wiseman_Vaughn
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I’m obviously wrong and all will be ok.
Blaggamuffin
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Ultimately, this has to happen. The British working class needs representation from a party free from Zionist peace stains.
If the unions get behind this then that will be a good thing. I appreciate that this will complicate things in terms of the landscape but these are kaleidoscopic times for UK politics and things cannot continue as they are.
If the unions get behind this then that will be a good thing. I appreciate that this will complicate things in terms of the landscape but these are kaleidoscopic times for UK politics and things cannot continue as they are.
what have the Jews got to do with this?