New Labour started the Breakup of the UK
- Thread starter NoMushroom
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the people of Scotland clearly don't want a tory government, so why should they have to have one?I find it very odd that people who would support self determination in any other struggle in any other part of the world suddenly have a problem with Scotland enjoying the same rights.
Colin Warnek
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Spot on @NoMushroom .
It is very easily forgotten but New Labour conceded the ground to the SNP which led to the mess of the breakup of the union at present. People can say oh the Scots have every right but once they're gone they'll soon feel the pinch.
It is the most disgraceful legacy of the Blair era along with Iraq/Afghanistan.
It is very easily forgotten but New Labour conceded the ground to the SNP which led to the mess of the breakup of the union at present. People can say oh the Scots have every right but once they're gone they'll soon feel the pinch.
It is the most disgraceful legacy of the Blair era along with Iraq/Afghanistan.
Ex Footy Legs
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Ex Footy Legs
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England will be seen as a tinpot country when Scotland and Ireland leave
Centralscrutinizer
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I see similarities between No Mushroom and the poster formerly known as Chris the Red 
Could be wrong though 
Could be wrong though 
BoroFur
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American_Mary
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The mess of the Union at present is down to a Brexit vote that wasn’t devolved and refers to promises made by the incumbent Conservative MP at the time of the last Scottish Referendum that they would retain their place in the EU by voting to stay within the Union, a devolved vote would have kept them in the EU which is what the majority of those that voted in Scotland wanted, it stretches any credulity to suggest that the 1998 Scotland Act is responsible for the post Brexit ignorance of Scottish will.
Wilful misuse of a power is not the responsibility of the inventor.
changingman
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For purely personal reasons I'm looking forward to the indy vote (and outcome) as it means I can move there and get on the road to becoming a citizen of a modern, progressive nation (and all of the benefits that comes with that rather than hanging around in this despotic, feudal cesspit any longer.
They'll have probably made it illegal to leave by that point knowing my luck
rather than hanging around in this despotic, feudal cesspit any longer. They'll have probably made it illegal to leave by that point knowing my luck
Andy_W
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Labour votes going to the SNP don't bother me, as they probably also take some Tory ones with them, and the SNP will forever be against the Tories which is all that matters, at the end of the day. It was impossible for Labour to hold those seats as an English party, with England inflicting so much damage on them.
I'd rather have Scotland in some sort of control over their own future, even if that means we need and SNP/ Labour/ Greens coalition, to overturn the Tories. It's almost like proportional representation in a weird way.
We need to sort our own house out in England, as we are the problem, not them. Scotland and NI will from now onwards always vote to remove power from Westminster and London, as we absolutely fcuked them with Brexit. Labour need to get on the SNP's side and quick, as if Scotland gets sick enough that they leave the UK, then we're stuck with the Tory's for decades. The Tories control 2/3 of all England seats, so if Scotland and NI leave, then democracy in England is finished, and areas like the NE and SW would be too.
I'd rather have Scotland in some sort of control over their own future, even if that means we need and SNP/ Labour/ Greens coalition, to overturn the Tories. It's almost like proportional representation in a weird way.
We need to sort our own house out in England, as we are the problem, not them. Scotland and NI will from now onwards always vote to remove power from Westminster and London, as we absolutely fcuked them with Brexit. Labour need to get on the SNP's side and quick, as if Scotland gets sick enough that they leave the UK, then we're stuck with the Tory's for decades. The Tories control 2/3 of all England seats, so if Scotland and NI leave, then democracy in England is finished, and areas like the NE and SW would be too.
Laughing
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I may well move with you CM. Born in Edinburgh, it's a lovely place.For purely personal reasons I'm looking forward to the indy vote (and outcome) as it means I can move there and get on the road to becoming a citizen of a modern, progressive nation (and all of the benefits that comes with that
They'll have probably made it illegal to leave by that point knowing my luck
HolgateCorner
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Interesting thread this because mushroom is a Tory 77th activist and he is giving an indication of how the Tories plan to blame Labour and Kier Starmer for the break up of the U.K.
We all know it’s another Tory mess but there will be plenty out there who will be happy to believe it.
We all know it’s another Tory mess but there will be plenty out there who will be happy to believe it.
Colin Warnek
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Moronic stuff.England will be seen as a tinpot country when Scotland and Ireland leave
Colin Warnek
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Is there any untruth in my post?
NoMushroom
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I'm not a "Tory 77th Activist" - I have no links / memberships to any political party - I'm a free spirit
Colin Warnek
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2007 Scottish Parliament election - Wikipedia
9 years before Brexit. As soon as the above was allowed to happen on New Labour’s watch, the slow March towards break up was inevitable.
junos_boots
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Not sure how a leader who campaigned on a policy of 'taking back control' in a recent election can complain when other people want the same thing.
NoMushroom
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The thing is Juno - The Scottish Borders and the Shetland islands will want an independence vote from Scotland - because they don't want to leave the UK
So the SNP can't claim that Brexit pulled Scotland out of Europe 'against their will', without giving regions of Scotland the same choice about leaving the UK
Shetland Islands vote to explore independence from Scotland
The council argued that funding cuts to the island, alongside centralised decision-making, are reasons to look into independence.
news.sky.com
Andy_W
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London didn't want to leave the EU, can they ditch the rest of England then? They pay for a large portion of the UK's infrastructure and economy, but surely you won't miss that?The thing is Juno - The Scottish Borders and the Shetland islands will want an independence vote from Scotland - because they don't want to leave the UK
So the SNP can't claim that Brexit pulled Scotland out of Europe 'against their will', without giving regions of Scotland the same choice about leaving the UK
Shetland Islands vote to explore independence from Scotland
The council argued that funding cuts to the island, alongside centralised decision-making, are reasons to look into independence.
HolgateCorner
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You do post like an activist....