New Green Hydrogen Project

Good news on the face of it. But all part of the smoke and mirrors going on.
They (Hynet, Pale Blue Dot, Net Zero Teesside & Zero Carbon Humber) are all in the mix to get £1Billion of Govt funding to be announced at Cop26. Two of the schemes will get the money.
Then the Govt will add a levy to our energy bills to pay for these green schemes.
So we will effectively be funding projects for TOTAL, National Grid, Shell, BP and Cadent.

If two or more of these schemes do go ahead fk knows who will Design and Build them. There's nobody left.
Better bring in EU Nationals......... oh hang on!
 
zzzzz said:
Good news on the face of it. But all part of the smoke and mirrors going on.
They (Hynet, Pale Blue Dot, Net Zero Teesside & Zero Carbon Humber) are all in the mix to get £1Billion of Govt funding to be announced at Cop26. Two of the schemes will get the money.
Then the Govt will add a levy to our energy bills to pay for these green schemes.
So we will effectively be funding projects for TOTAL, National Grid, Shell, BP and Cadent.

If two or more of these schemes do go ahead fk knows who will Design and Build them. There's nobody left.
Better bring in EU Nationals......... oh hang on!
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Teesside's Net Zero will go ahead. We already produce over 50% of the nation's hydrogen, the CATS Terminal at Seal Sands have already announced their plans for a blue hydrogen plant and this cannot go ahead without the carbon capture scheme happening. BP are planning a green hydrogen plant and the Hydrogen Hub research centre for the Ironmasters district which will link up with the uni, is already planned. their aim is to use only green hydrogen as soon as possible with a transition from blue.

Soon two large engineering companies will be taking up office space on Teesside to be nearer to the action.
 
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Further to what zzzz was saying, it seems that one of the three areas will be fast tracked, and as yet it hasn't been announce which one. I will be very surprised though if it isn't Teesside because if they are building the research centre here and trialing hydrogen fuelled haulage and public transport, it wouldn't be very practical if we were relying on fuel from Scotland or the Humber.

Although stranger things have happened so here's hoping. 🤞
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Teesside's Net Zero will go ahead. We already produce over 50% of the nation's hydrogen, the Cats Terminal at Seal Sands have already announced their plans for a blue hydrogen plant and this cannot go ahead without the carbon capture scheme happening. BP are planning a green hydrogen plant and the Hydrogen Hub research centre for the Ironmasters district which will link up with the uni, is already planned. their aim is to use only green hydrogen as soon as possible with a transition from blue.

Soon two large engineering companies will be taking up office space on Teesside to be nearer to the action.
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Its not all doom and gloom as some people like to make it out.

Another plant being built at Wilton which will be the first of its kind in the world is RenewELP
https://renewelp.co.uk/news/renew-elp-announce-commencement-of-worlds-first-site-with-wood-as-epc/
This will be a world changeover if they can scale up the process.
 
zzzzz said:
Good news on the face of it. But all part of the smoke and mirrors going on.
They (Hynet, Pale Blue Dot, Net Zero Teesside & Zero Carbon Humber) are all in the mix to get £1Billion of Govt funding to be announced at Cop26. Two of the schemes will get the money.
Then the Govt will add a levy to our energy bills to pay for these green schemes.
So we will effectively be funding projects for TOTAL, National Grid, Shell, BP and Cadent.
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In 2016 UK financial support for fossil fuels was c.11bn euros.
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The deal the government did for Hinkley Point C guaranteed EDF a price per MWh about 50% higher than the market price even this year.
 
Big day tomorrow when the Govt decide which multi-nationals they will give UK tax payers money to.
National Grid, Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, Centrica, Equinor, BP and Cadent amongst others all waiting to hear on free money.
 
zzzzz said:
Big day tomorrow when the Govt decide which multi-nationals they will give UK tax payers money to.
National Grid, Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, Centrica, Equinor, BP and Cadent amongst others all waiting to hear on free money.
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The government set the emission reductions. They require these companies to research and develop their technology to make the government hit it’s targets. Government should be contributing.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
The government set the emission reductions. They require these companies to research and develop their technology to make the government hit it’s targets. Government should be contributing.
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They make Billions and pass it on to the shareholders through dividends. Execs make £millions. Funded through these grants by the taxpayer.
The grants annouced tomorrow are to fund projects not research.
 
WoodallServices said:
What’s the difference between regular hydrogen and “Green” hydrogen?
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Grey hydrogen is that which is a by-product of the petrochemical industry, ie most of what we produce at the moment.
Blue hydrogen is a by-product of the petrochemical industry after carbon capture has been implemented.
Green hydrogen is produced by separating water into oxygen and hydrogen with electrolysis using renewable energy - like a wind farm - to power the plant.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Blue and grey are cons by the oil and gas industry to let them keep polluting. CC has never been implemented on any significant scale and probably never will be.
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I believe it will, it's being planned at the moment and when it happens it will prolong the life of a lot of the industry in Teesside.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I believe it will, it's being planned at the moment and when it happens it will prolong the life of a lot of the industry in Teesside.
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That's what they want you to think.

They will say CC is just around he corner so it make sense to keep using oil and gas until it comes along in any meaningful scale. It will never come along but it will divert from implementing renewables. Current CC plants capture 100000 or a million tonnes a year at best. To justify fossil fuels continued use they would need to capture billions of tonnes.
 
ThePrisoner said:
That's what they want you to think.

They will say CC is just around he corner so it make sense to keep using oil and gas until it comes along in any meaningful scale. It will never come along but it will divert from implementing renewables. Current CC plants capture 100000 or a million tonnes a year at best. To justify fossil fuels continued use they would need to capture billions of tonnes.
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All of the schemes have an element of CC. But I can tell you that the Carbon Pipelines are low priority. They're mad to get the H2 plants and pipelines built to start making money. No profit in the CC for them.
Some of them might not even bother completing the CC element.
As you say. Scam.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Grey hydrogen is that which is a by-product of the petrochemical industry, ie most of what we produce at the moment.
Blue hydrogen is a by-product of the petrochemical industry after carbon capture has been implemented.
Green hydrogen is produced by separating water into oxygen and hydrogen with electrolysis using renewable energy - like a wind farm - to power the plant.
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Cheers.👍
 
zzzzz said:
All of the schemes have an element of CC. But I can tell you that the Carbon Pipelines are low priority. They're mad to get the H2 plants and pipelines built to start making money. No profit in the CC for them.
Some of them might not even bother completing the CC element.
As you say. Scam.
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I imagine there will be a lot of pressure on companies to partake in the CC scheme. It's happening, and we need to reduce our carbon footprint whether the hydrogen industry takes off or not.
 
Its about time the area have received some significant investment.

I ma not been critical, but shouldn't have EU/EEC money been flooding in for large industrial schemes in the last 40 years to compensate for the loss of steel making jobs etc.
 
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