National Rail Strike

FabioPorkpie said:
Go and look at the operators website or your purchase email for details.
Or go and ask at a ticket office. Before they are all closed down.
That’s what most people would do, anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Fab, I'm assuming that ticket offices are closing because more and more people are using online tickets or paying by card at the station the same way you can order a maccy D's with the touchscreen technology?

If that's the case surely we can't expect a rail company to keep a ticket office open paying multiple staff where the use of the ticket office won't even cover one person's wages never mind 3,4 or 5 ticket office staff, just for sentiment and to keep a a job open?


I've seen people on here sing the praises of electric vehicles and some with the ability to drive themselves. Have we given a second thought as to what happens to the jobs of petrol station attendants, taxi drivers, bus drivers, mechanics, service and utility staff who look after petrol forecourts? No.
 
Randy said:
Fab, I'm assuming that ticket offices are closing because more and more people are using online tickets or paying by card at the station the same way you can order a maccy D's with the touchscreen technology?

If that's the case surely we can't expect a rail company to keep a ticket office open paying multiple staff where the use of the ticket office won't even cover one person's wages never mind 3,4 or 5 ticket office staff, just for sentiment and to keep a a job open?


I've seen people on here sing the praises of electric vehicles and some with the ability to drive themselves. Have we given a second thought as to what happens to the jobs of petrol station attendants, taxi drivers, bus drivers, mechanics, service and utility staff who look after petrol forecourts? No.
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I’m sure many people have given some thought to those jobs (in your last paragraph) going in time.
(For example, I try to avoid using automated tills in supermarkets wherever I can/remember. I appreciate it’s probably a futile gesture on my part, but If everyone used them, there would be no need for anybody to work the checkouts. That’s an awful lot of jobs gone. But hey, the business would be able to slash it’s wage bill and raise its profits..)

It’s all fine and well automating everything and utilising technology, but if there are no jobs left for people to do, then what? No way for people to earn money, no money to spend etc.

As I understand it, reduction in jobs is one of the main reasons for the continuation of the strike - compulsory redundancies. Why make these people redundant? Why not keep them within the business, an extremely large business that is always recruiting staff from outside the company for a range of roles? Why not give these folk the opportunity to retrain in a different role within the company, thereby keeping their years of service, pension, annual leave accrued etc?
Why just say ‘see ya’.
It makes even less sense, when they still do actually perform a valuable role for many people, especially those in need of assistance.
It’s one of the main reasons for the strike.
I worry about the automation of everything. If the masses don’t have any work left to do, and no opportunity to earn money, then it’s a bit of a gargantuan problem.

I’ve just had a quick look and RMT have been fighting to keep station staff in place for some time. The linked gives some decent reasons why they still perform a valuable and needed role, despite the advent of digital ticket purchasing. They do so much more than just sell tickets.

 
Randy said:
Fab, I'm assuming that ticket offices are closing because more and more people are using online tickets or paying by card at the station the same way you can order a maccy D's with the touchscreen technology?

If that's the case surely we can't expect a rail company to keep a ticket office open paying multiple staff where the use of the ticket office won't even cover one person's wages never mind 3,4 or 5 ticket office staff, just for sentiment and to keep a a job open?


I've seen people on here sing the praises of electric vehicles and some with the ability to drive themselves. Have we given a second thought as to what happens to the jobs of petrol station attendants, taxi drivers, bus drivers, mechanics, service and utility staff who look after petrol forecourts? No.
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I'm traveling around Germany at the moment on €9 for a month ticket. The stations and trains are bouncing, towns smaller than Boro have stations the size of Newcastle.

Not only that, the shops aren't boarded up, few charity shops, pubs full, I'm in a Turkish one at the moment.

Stop believing the shyte, it can be done if you want to support it
 
Ticket prices are so high because profits are so high, in an industry that was once owned entirely by the british public; even now we are shovelling public money into shareholders pockets, it's scandalous.

The attack on the Mick Lynch and the strike action by the media has been appalling to watch' suggesting cancer patients have lost their lives because of it, for example, it highly prejudiced and it's been so refreshing to see him dismantle the nonsense aimed at him by straightforward, but forthright views.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
I’m sure many people have given some thought to those jobs (in your last paragraph) going in time.
(For example, I try to avoid using automated tills in supermarkets wherever I can/remember. I appreciate it’s probably a futile gesture on my part, but If everyone used them, there would be no need for anybody to work the checkouts. That’s an awful lot of jobs gone. But hey, the business would be able to slash it’s wage bill and raise its profits..)

It’s all fine and well automating everything and utilising technology, but if there are no jobs left for people to do, then what? No way for people to earn money, no money to spend etc.

As I understand it, reduction in jobs is one of the main reasons for the continuation of the strike - compulsory redundancies. Why make these people redundant? Why not keep them within the business, an extremely large business that is always recruiting staff from outside the company for a range of roles? Why not give these folk the opportunity to retrain in a different role within the company, thereby keeping their years of service, pension, annual leave accrued etc?
Why just say ‘see ya’.
It makes even less sense, when they still do actually perform a valuable role for many people, especially those in need of assistance.
It’s one of the main reasons for the strike.
I worry about the automation of everything. If the masses don’t have any work left to do, and no opportunity to earn money, then it’s a bit of a gargantuan problem.

I’ve just had a quick look and RMT have been fighting to keep station staff in place for some time. The linked gives some decent reasons why they still perform a valuable and needed role, despite the advent of digital ticket purchasing. They do so much more than just sell tickets.

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It's a tricky situation that's for sure, the automation of things, especially the speed at which things are happening.

For clarity I support those striking, they've obviously been left with no other choice.
 
Go into Middlesbrough Station and you'll see station staff do far more than just sell tickets, for example they'll be out helping disabled people on and off trains.

I know they work with the signallers to manage train movements in and out of the station so trains can swap platforms or swap sets to minimise delay.

They are an integral part of the railway and can't be replaced by a machine.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Ticket prices are so high because profits are so high, in an industry that was once owned entirely by the british public; even now we are shovelling public money into shareholders pockets, it's scandalous.

The attack on the Mick Lynch and the strike action by the media has been appalling to watch' suggesting cancer patients have lost their lives because of it, for example, it highly prejudiced and it's been so refreshing to see him dismantle the nonsense aimed at him by straightforward, but forthright views.
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This is what people don't get. Luckily I don't live down south. Surely they need to start asking themselves why train travel is so expensive compared to other countries. Someone is raking it in. Friends of Tory donors no doubt.
 
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