National insurance tax hike

People today have higher expectations than I or my parents had when it comes to everyday living. You know, lived with parents, first house had no furniture,tea chest for a table etc.
How can people justify this tosh. If anyone could get an affordable house in their 20s-early 30s any more they wouldn’t give a damn if there was furniture or a tea chest for a table either.
 
My council has charged a social care precept for years - I can’t see how they can justify maintaining that now but I am sure that they will try.
Be careful what you wish for. When my dad was taken into care in Redcar before he passed away in May my mam got absolutely “jack” from the government! Sorry I tell a lie, when he’d passed away they begrudgingly backdated her a weeks money. The help she did get on the other hand was from Redcar Council which was a godsend.
 
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Can somebody please explain to me why the current system of paying for social care for the elderly is not fair. It's means tested after all. The local authority determine if you have to pay or not.
Local authorities more and more are looking at raising extra revenue by charging specific groups to fund things like social policing and services ie private landlords.
 
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Of course they should be able to own a house - but is an increase in NI, an increase that will disproportionately affect younger people yet to get on the housing ladder themselves the fairest way to do it?

Social care needs reform, but this blanket proposal has a 27 year old on £25k a year, already paying rent and therefore transferring wealth to someone senior to them, paying more tax. That's money they could be saving for a deposit. All so that someone gets to keep their million pound house. A house that the 27 year old will never be able to own. And it wasn't down to hard work the house is worth £1m, it's because someone just sat in it for 30 years.

It's such a transparent means for protect the Tory electorate to the detriment of everyone else.
Somebody has to live in these £1M houses, and in doing so pay for the privilege in higher rates, running costs etc which bring in large sums to the coffers of local and national Gov't. Your politics are one of envy and a dislike of those who by just having lived longer than you and have done well from themselves. We all contribute to society, some more than others.
 
Somebody has to live in these £1M houses, and in doing so pay for the privilege in higher rates, running costs etc which bring in large sums to the coffers of local and national Gov't. Your politics are one of envy and a dislike of those who by just having lived longer than you and have done well from themselves. We all contribute to society, some more than others.
We have all contributed through our labour but some take more than their fair share, why shouldn't those who have taken out more put more back in?
 
Somebody has to live in these £1M houses, and in doing so pay for the privilege in higher rates, running costs etc which bring in large sums to the coffers of local and national Gov't. Your politics are one of envy and a dislike of those who by just having lived longer than you and have done well from themselves. We all contribute to society, some more than others.


My politics are egalitarian.
 
I prefer the shelter housing inflation applied to food prices anytime a boomer moans at me for eating smashed avocado on toast. :D

  • A 4-pint carton of milk would cost £10.45
  • A chicken would cost £51.18
  • A bunch of 6 bananas would cost £8.47
  • A box of 6 eggs would cost £5.01
  • A loaf of sliced white bread would cost £4.36
  • A leg of lamb would cost £53.18
  • The average weekly expenditure on food for a family of four would be £453.23.

 
Apparently in 2019 care homes in the UK made a collective profit of 1.5 billion, many owned by hedge funds, no doubt with many links to Tory MP's/party.

Care should be publicly owned provided at cost, sick people are not a commodity.

This equals lower tax take required and lower fees paid by residents, won't happen unfortunately whilst people are making money, this should have been part of the discussion, but I've never heard it once, only the noise of a crisis.
 
You are advocating penalising those who have achieved more in life or who've happened to ride the ups and downs of the economy and markets. You can only change what has gone on before, but don't penalise the elderly for the past
Where did I say that? What I'm advocating is not punishing the young and the poor for the sake of keeping the rich rich.

We have a housing crisis in this country and you pretending that unearned wealth is the equivalent of hard work is grotesque.

Buying a house and then seeing it quintuple on value is not am achievement.
 
Where did I say that? What I'm advocating is not punishing the young and the poor for the sake of keeping the rich rich.

We have a housing crisis in this country and you pretending that unearned wealth is the equivalent of hard work is grotesque.

Buying a house and then seeing it quintuple on value is not am achievement.
Workers of all age have contributed and that is the way it should be until you are too old to contribute. The young and healthy do this.
It is not the fault of homeowners to see an increase in value of their properties. That is the way the housing market works, don't forget the billions raked in previously mentioned. Work and sacrifice has enabled people to buy their own homes. I am not disagreeing it is hard or harder now to achieve this.
Population increase has a lot to do with the housing crisis as much as poor delivery of housing stock. Ingleby Barracks, the largest housing estate in Europe and the large increase in housing in the Eaglescliffe area where I have lived most of my life has been amazing. Repeat the same all over the north east.
Buying your own home was the realisation of a dream for many and quite rightly is seen as an asset to be used for funds if required to provided for care in their dotage. Some have used the increase in value to help family, not their fault it's helping others. What isn't good is profit from the housing stock going out the country.
 
Workers of all age have contributed and that is the way it should be until you are too old to contribute. The young and healthy do this.
It is not the fault of homeowners to see an increase in value of their properties. That is the way the housing market works, don't forget the billions raked in previously mentioned. Work and sacrifice has enabled people to buy their own homes. I am not disagreeing it is hard or harder now to achieve this.
Population increase has a lot to do with the housing crisis as much as poor delivery of housing stock. Ingleby Barracks, the largest housing estate in Europe and the large increase in housing in the Eaglescliffe area where I have lived most of my life has been amazing. Repeat the same all over the north east.
Buying your own home was the realisation of a dream for many and quite rightly is seen as an asset to be used for funds if required to provided for care in their dotage. Some have used the increase in value to help family, not their fault it's helping others. What isn't good is profit from the housing stock going out the country.
there is sufficient stock as it is. It’s utilised incorrectly.
 
Belts tightening again next year for many.

The most distasteful part is the Tories blaming COVID when they’ve been systematically destroying the social care system and NHS due to austerity measures that were not required. Great shout out to the Daily Mail by Boris for their campaigning on this during the press conference today as well.
 
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