Muzzy Carayol on playing for Aitor Karanka

Very thought provoking comments. Clearly still rankles with him and if anything gives food for thought on man management styles. It will be an interesting ride at Birmingham this year.
 
I can't remember him having a great, or even a good game for us to be honest.

In my opinion he was not better than a single one of those players mentioned.

I can't remember any particular positive contribution he made to the team.

Suspect this is MC looking back with regret on a wasted opportunity but he's probably too stuck up his own derriere to understand.
 
Let's be honest, Carayol isn't the on player or member of staff to fall out with Karanka. Man management is one of his flaws.
 
Tryasize10 said:
I can't remember him having a great, or even a good game for us to be honest.

In my opinion he was not better than a single one of those players he has mentioned.

I can't remember any particular positive contribution he made to the team.

Suspect this is MC looking back with regret on a wasted opportunity but he's probably too stuck up his own derriere to understand.
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You’ve definitely forgotten that night at Blackburn then.
 
coluka said:
Really poor from MC imho. Is this the head coach that did not want Downing, Forshaw, Rhodes either, but Adomah ran over to hug? For the record they were white bar Albert btw , just in case anyone did not realise
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I see why people might read into his comments that he is implying some racism at play but he doesn't say anything of the sort I hope you don't condemn MC just because you don't like what he says? I always believe that you treat players fairly and adapt your style to their personalities. If you are incapable of doing that then you will fail eventually - unless you have the gravitas of a Clough or Ferguson. Great managers like Wenger and Klopp are able to do that.
 
Abel Tasman said:
I see why people might read into his comments that he is implying some racism at play but he doesn't say anything of the sort I hope you don't condemn MC just because you don't like what he says? I always believe that you treat players fairly and adapt your style to their personalities. If you are incapable of doing that then you will fail eventually - unless you have the gravitas of a Clough or Ferguson. Great managers like Wenger and Klopp are able to do that.
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Yeah Carayol says nothing about racism only that he didn’t understand why he was being treated the way he was.
 
He was clearly a very stubborn man. He made some strange and frankly baffling decisions at times. Then again many managers are.

He bombed out Fredricks at RB for Whitehead. Also alienated a few players who didn't get a look in.

I remember going 1-0 down in the 80th min away at Burnley. He brought on George Friend despite having a raft of attacking options on the bench. He stuck with 1 up top... Simply wouldn't change. Its still one of the most baffling things I'd seen from a manager.
 
Clash of mentalities really. We all know what a Karanka player looks like - extremely hard-working, mentally tough, knows his way round a defensive shape.

Not much room for mavericks in a Karanka team. He indulged Tomlin and Gaston for a bit but especially when you take over a new club, first thing you'd do is prune out the players who don't fit your template in attitude - make an example of the Carayols and promote the Leadbitters and Friends to set the example to the rest.

Every manager does it, Jose particularly. It's not bad man-management, just Muzzy is a chilled out entertainer and Karanka is an intense perfectionist. If you're as intense as Grant Leadbitter you'd love that. If you're David Ginola, you'd hate it.

(PS hi old friends and new board :cool:)
 
I quite liked him as a player.
Just read that he scored 6 in 18 before Aitor's arrival. In a team that was averaging a goal a game, that's not bad from one player.
 
Edis_Pilf said:
I quite liked him as a player.
Just read that he scored 6 in 18 before Aitor's arrival. In a team that was averaging a goal a game, that's not bad from one player.
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Yes he definitely had a spell where he was one of our better players. Scored on Aitor’s debut?
 
Ait or was a perfectionist and a bit authoritarian. But if you look at Muzzys record 14 clubs since 2007 most games played for a single club 50 Boro and Torquay. So there must have been some falling out along the way. 14 managers must have had it in for him
 
Karanka style was abrasive and he fell out with many people in his time at the club, culminating with the Charlton situation.

Many other players would echo Carayol’s sentiments toward Karanka, but he got results and that was the only thing he was interested in, I heard an interview with Dean Saunders reflecting on his time as a manager and he said he could never make the detachment and be ruthless enough toward his players and that he always tried to maintain a friendly relationship with them which meant they treat him as a soft touch, Karanka was the opposite and I’ve heard tales of him blanking players in restaurants for example.

Karanka is not in football to win friends but win games and at times that singlemindedness ruffled feathers.
 
Abel Tasman said:
I see why people might read into his comments that he is implying some racism at play but he doesn't say anything of the sort I hope you don't condemn MC just because you don't like what he says? I always believe that you treat players fairly and adapt your style to their personalities. If you are incapable of doing that then you will fail eventually - unless you have the gravitas of a Clough or Ferguson. Great managers like Wenger and Klopp are able to do that.
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I appreciate this had nothing to do with race. My comment was to suggest it had nothing to do with race. Maybe I could have worded it better. This board has people who are quick to highlight racial issues and I was trying to stop that happening plus some people do think Karanka was a toxic manager, I was trying to say that there were issues with various players and to stop anyone on the board from maybe thinking it was about skin colour. Karanka was a manager that split the fans. I am a huge fan of his. MC clearly disliked him, Clayton and Friend are 2 players that seemingly have a very different opinion to MC.

MC has done a job on him, Anyone who has managed people will understand it is very difficult when you come across an employee who does not buy into the way you run things. Equally if a manager is a bad manager, you tend to find most staff feel that not just one or two in a group. AK was reinstated by Gibson after 4 senior players stood up for him. MC should have kept his thoughts to himself.
 
American_Mary said:
Karanka style was abrasive and he fell out with many people in his time at the club, culminating with the Charlton situation.

Many other players would echo Carayol’s sentiments toward Karanka, but he got results and that was the only thing he was interested in, I heard an interview with Dean Saunders reflecting on his time as a manager and he said he could never make the detachment and be ruthless enough toward his players and that he always tried to maintain a friendly relationship with them which meant they treat him as a soft touch, Karanka was the opposite and I’ve heard tales of him blanking players in restaurants for example.

Karanka is not in football to win friends but win games and at times that singlemindedness ruffled feathers.
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I think Woody probably failed to make the same boundaries. Just a hunch based on his paralanguage etc.
 
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