BoroFur
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No but flight-risk and risk of re-offending are.Yes, but that's not usually the reason for keeping someone locked up prior to trial.
No but flight-risk and risk of re-offending are.Yes, but that's not usually the reason for keeping someone locked up prior to trial.
Yes I know that.I’m not saying it is but you have to be very careful even commenting on a rape trial.
So you've used the term re-offending, which implies guilt rather than presumption of innocence.No but flight-risk and risk of re-offending are.
You are quite right Gaz, poor choice of words on my part.Some shameful views on this thread.
Not sure you can tarnish the Conservative party as rapists.
There’s a victim in all of this I don’t see how it’s going to get interesting either
Ok I should have said risk of offending. Not really sure where you're going with this flip side but the law of the land is clear. In serious cases where an individual has been charged with murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, rape or attempted rape there is no presumption in favour of bail and the individual will automatically be remanded into custody. This MP has not been named yet because he hasn't been charged and is therefore a free man currently. If he's done nothing wrong he's got nothing to worry about. Take it up with your MP if you feel so strongly about it.So you've used the term re-offending, which implies guilt rather than presumption of innocence.
That was former Conservative MP Charlie Elphicke who was convicted of sexually assaulting two women nearly a decade apart. One of his victims had reported his actions to senior party figures nearly a year before police were called.Wasn’t this already in the press a week ago, and someone named ? Or is this a different, but similar story.
That's exactly my point!Ok I should have said risk of offending. Not really sure where you're going with this flip side but the law of the land is clear. In serious cases where an individual has been charged with murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, rape or attempted rape there is no presumption in favour of bail and the individual will automatically be remanded into custody. This MP has not been named yet because he hasn't been charged and is therefore a free man currently. If he's done nothing wrong he's got nothing to worry about. Take it up with your MP if you feel so strongly about it.
I agree wholehartedly with you on this.Soon as this thread appeared I knew someone would be along attempting to link it being a Tory MP accused of rape with the actual party. Someone accused of rape is no more or less likely to be affiliated to any political party. Attempting to do so is pretty shameless
I'm quoting the law of the land flip side. If that means I'm agreeing with you then fair enough.That's exactly my point!
There is NO presumption of innocence.
I think you are agreeing with me without realising.
I would imagine that aides/political party staffers are 'encouraged' to seek grievance remedies internally before reporting alleged offences to the police. Here's two cases in quick succession where the Conservative Party has known about serious alleged offences for some time and effectively sat on them. Regardless of your political persuasion that's not right.Soon as this thread appeared I knew someone would be along attempting to link it being a Tory MP accused of rape with the actual party. Someone accused of rape is no more or less likely to be affiliated to any political party. Attempting to do so is pretty shameless
Yes, you're definitely agreeing with me.I'm quoting the law of the land flip side. If that means I'm agreeing with you then fair enough.
I would imagine that aides/political party staffers are 'encouraged' to seek grievance remedies internally before reporting alleged offences to the police. Here's two cases in quick succession where the Conservative Party has known about serious alleged offences for some time and effectively sat on them. Regardless of your political persuasion that's not right.
No I think that you are inferring that the law is wrong in this instance. I don't believe it is.Yes, you're definitely agreeing with me.
I think you have been arguing against something I haven't said.
Soon as this thread appeared I knew someone would be along attempting to link it being a Tory MP accused of rape with the actual party. Someone accused of rape is no more or less likely to be affiliated to any political party. Attempting to do so is pretty shameless
I'm criticising the machinery of political parties. All of them. If this was your wife or daughter you wouldn't stand by while they went through what is effectively a grievance process. You'd encourage them to report it to the police and let the law take the complaint through due process. I'm saying in two recent cases the Conservative Party has sat on serious allegations when their duty of care to the individual should have prompted an immediate referral to the police.I never said it was. My point being just because someone is a Tory MP, Labour, Lib Dem or whatever else doesn’t make them any more or less likely to be accused of rape. I knew some posters would link the accused being a Tory MP to the actual party (you aren’t more likely to be an accused rapist because your a Tory)