Most and least reliable car brands revealed

SmallTown said:
That's how it comes across. due to the extra comments he decided to add. Sounds very much like someone who want's a premium car but can't have one.
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I'm simply communicating that people are willing to pay more for inferior quality. Just to note, I've owned a Mercedes and currently have a vintage Porsche. But I bought these vehicles for aesthetic reasons rather any overriding quality factor. Furthermore, I sold the Mercedes for more than what I bought it for and could likely do so with the Porsche. But I probably won't sell it.
 
JustTheGent said:
I'm simply communicating that people are willing to pay more for inferior quality. Just to note, I've owned a Mercedes and currently have a vintage Porsche. But I bought these vehicles for aesthetic reasons rather any overriding quality factor. Furthermore, I sold the Mercedes for more than what I bought it for and could likely do so with the Porsche. But I probably won't sell it.
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You weren't "just pointing that out" or else you wouldn't have added the last few sentences. Also you're wrong. A Mercedes Benz is better built then a vauxhall. It's a superior quality product. I can't believe you can't see that.
 
I dont know anyone who buys a car primarily on reliability. Of course nobody wants to be stuck by the side of the road but personally, unless the car or brand had a horrendous reputation it wouldnt put me off.

A mate of mine had a TVR back in the 90's. It was a dog of a car, everything that could go wrong did. But my god did it put a smile on his face when he drove it! He only got rid of it when kids came along.
 
JustTheGent said:
I'm simply communicating that people are willing to pay more for inferior quality. Just to note, I've owned a Mercedes and currently have a vintage Porsche. But I bought these vehicles for aesthetic reasons rather any overriding quality factor. Furthermore, I sold the Mercedes for more than what I bought it for and could likely do so with the Porsche. But I probably won't sell it.
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:D:D
 
My Mercedes, when I had it, was less reliable than the Peugout206 it replaced, which was less reliable than the Nissan Sunny it replaced. Had a Honda Civic for the last 9 years and it's been pretty reliable. No complaints and there's a good chance another Honda will be my final car.
 
WoodallServices said:
Like everything these days most of the problems are technology based rather than mechanical......unless you own a Range Rover.😉
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I've owned 2 range/land rovers- from New and I've never had an issue. Admittedly I didn't have either of them past 35k.
Have 2 Mazda's and a toyota Prius ( I've done over 126k with this, amazing reliability).
 
Ironops said:
I dont know anyone who buys a car primarily on reliability. Of course nobody wants to be stuck by the side of the road but personally, unless the car or brand had a horrendous reputation it wouldnt put me off.

A mate of mine had a TVR back in the 90's. It was a dog of a car, everything that could go wrong did. But my god did it put a smile on his face when he drove it! He only got rid of it when kids came along.
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I've always loved TVR. Yes they are famously unreliable though. I worked with someone who had a 350-T. She said she deliberately got the t-top version as she expected the electric door releases to fail and wanted a way of climbing out of the car. She was correct, it failed a few times. Also once, for no apparent reason, it dumped it's fuel all over her driveway.

I'd still have one in a heartbeat though. Would love a Sagaris.
 
SmallTown said:
Sounds like someones jealous of people who can afford premium brands! It's always a skewed thing because premium cars simply have more things on them to go wrong. Due to their higher quality they are also my expensive to repair. I miss, badly, the build quality of my Merc, but I sacrificed it for the poorly built but spectacularly performing Tesla.
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In the Which magazines annual report The Range Rover models all came bottom and the top three were Lexus, Toyota and Suzuki. The German cars on the whole did fairly badly. We had a discussion about this at work and an important observation was that these days, very few cars actually break down and most complaints are for niggly things and electronic failures. Given that brands like Mercedes, BMW and Audi are likely at the forefront in the development of new technology there's a good chance that they will take the hit regarding failures until the new tech is perfected.
 
The whole "German Engineering" thing is a bit of a myth. That's not to say they don't make good cars, they do, but the're also expensive cars often with high specification. The fact that other countries turn out cheaper cars doesn't mean they have less engineering capability, they're just targeting different markets.
 
wilkos_perm said:
The whole "German Engineering" thing is a bit of a myth. That's not to say they don't make good cars, they do, but the're also expensive cars often with high specification. The fact that other countries turn out cheaper cars doesn't mean they have less engineering capability, they're just targeting different markets.
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Not sure about this. I'd feel a lot more confident about owning a cheap German car over a cheap Italian one. Given the choice of a VW up! Or a fiat Punto I know which one I'd pick
 
SmallTown said:
Not sure about this. I'd feel a lot more confident about owning a cheap German car over a cheap Italian one. Given the choice of a VW up! Or a fiat Punto I know which one I'd pick
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Well yes of course, i wasn't questioning that. I was just saying there's nothing inherently better about German Engineering. They're just making higher spec cars.
 
wilkos_perm said:
The whole "German Engineering" thing is a bit of a myth. That's not to say they don't make good cars, they do, but the're also expensive cars often with high specification. The fact that other countries turn out cheaper cars doesn't mean they have less engineering capability, they're just targeting different markets.
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You could say the same about vacuum cleaners, washing machines, tumble dryers and other domestic goods. They aim high and charge appropriately. That's what good engineers do.
 
wilkos_perm said:
Well yes of course, i wasn't questioning that. I was just saying there's nothing inherently better about German Engineering. They're just making higher spec cars.
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Again I disagree. The Up! is a low spec car as is the Punto. The Up! is far better engineered.
 
It's more expensive with better quality parts. That's not necessarily better engineering. Producing a dirt cheap car with half decent reliability could be considered equally good engineering.
I'm not debating the quality of the cars, it was more a general point regarding the notion that Germany has better engineering capability than elsewhere
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
You could say the same about vacuum cleaners, washing machines, tumble dryers and other domestic goods. They aim high and charge appropriately. That's what good engineers do.
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No, good engineers produce the best quality they can within the budget constraints assigned
 
wilkos_perm said:
No, good engineers produce the best quality they can within the budget constraints assigned
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On the whole yes. My son is an electrical engineer and sometimes he may have to find the cheapest available option for a particular job. However I'm talking about the design and manufacture of goods and in this respect the Germans put the emphasis on quality over budget.
 
wilkos_perm said:
It's more expensive with better quality parts. That's not necessarily better engineering. Producing a dirt cheap car with half decent reliability could be considered equally good engineering.
I'm not debating the quality of the cars, it was more a general point regarding the notion that Germany has better engineering capability than elsewhere
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Sorry I meant the Panda not Punto. Similar specced cars aren't too different in price. Up! still far batter built.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Cars, coffee, breakfast, haircuts....what next?

I'll go with footwear.
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:LOL:

BlindBoyGrunt said:
On the whole yes. My son is an electrical engineer and sometimes he may have to find the cheapest available option for a particular job. However I'm talking about the design and manufacture of goods and in this respect the Germans put the emphasis on quality over budget.
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Not so sure. I know several technicians who work at premium car brands and they have told me that cheap plastic parts are often used as part of the mechanics. Yes, you'll get some nice leather seats etc and a good infotainment system but this brings us back to the main point about car quality and reliability. I think most would agree, some of the cars that are reasonably priced are better quality and more reliable than the so called premium brands. That's unless you've just dropped 60 or 70k on something. Then your pocket won't let facts, evidence and reality prevail :LOL:
 
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