Rofesleg
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Oh right, over my head then.
I didn't realise people were suggesting punching pregnant women was acceptable.
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I didn't realise people were suggesting punching pregnant women was acceptable.
Cardiffdaffs
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I know who he is but it was a stretch to say he was “universally liked”. Let’s say he is a popular minor personality
I just remember there were people who used to crawl up Liddle's a**e on here because of who he was. Not a good look.
It's an interesting phenomenon how people get sucked into this Culture War rabbit hole after starting from what at first appears to be a mildly waspish left-wing position. Melanie Phillips was another, and that youtuber Pat Condell. It seems to me rhat the Islamaphobia question is often a trigger. but once they're gone they buy into it in a big way. Psychologically it's a curious journey - often has a kind of Oedipal flavour. You think of the likes of Dan Hedges, is it? That nasty little Mail columnist, the son of Glenda Jackson; or Toby Young, son of 60s sociologist/campaigner Michael Young. It's like they have to try extra hard to live down their heritage.
It's an interesting phenomenon how people get sucked into this Culture War rabbit hole after starting from what at first appears to be a mildly waspish left-wing position. Melanie Phillips was another, and that youtuber Pat Condell. It seems to me rhat the Islamaphobia question is often a trigger. but once they're gone they buy into it in a big way. Psychologically it's a curious journey - often has a kind of Oedipal flavour. You think of the likes of Dan Hedges, is it? That nasty little Mail columnist, the son of Glenda Jackson; or Toby Young, son of 60s sociologist/campaigner Michael Young. It's like they have to try extra hard to live down their heritage.
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1finny
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I enjoyed reading that
The other thought, ref Liddle, is whether he is just doing it to make £
It’s probably too simplistic though.
Add to your list the likes of Morrissey, Brian Ferry, Roger Daltrey.
There is a lady I know who, when we first met (25 years ago) shared a belief system and a history of taking action. We found out we’d been on the same marches to support CND, The miners et al.
She is now totally different and it does challenge our relationship at times.
She is also fiercely wealthy and shares a lifestyle with, in the main, very similar people who think/behave differently.
Playing amateur psychologist I wonder if her being adopted as a young girl has resulted in a bigger need to ’belong’.
Anton_Berg
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Having opposed views to your parents is no big deal, really.
Redwurzel
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I think his parents moved up North from Kent to work for ICI in professional jobs around 1970 and he was brought up with them. Lived in Nunthorpe. Did his A levels in Guisborough, formed a punk band, sold Socialist Worker newspaper in Middlesbrough and joined CND, followed Boro in the late 1970s. Moved away to do a degree at LSE and then became a journalist. Associated with the Labour Party in the 1990s and moved to London. But still likes and respects the Teesside area and the people and bought a property in Saltburn which he uses as a second home. I have seen him on the street in Saltburn in recent times when visiting.
My understanding is that under Blair, supported Labour, writing for the Times and working for the BBC, but appeared to disown Labour after Blair left. On BBC QT he became more and more like Nigel Fararge and in his views when I saw him. He has seemed to have outburts in the media that he knew would get him attention. I think it would be fair to describe him as Anti-Woke.
He did realise people were angry in places like Teesside and why they were, unlike the majority of the Media. He also had sympathy with the left behind.
My understanding is that under Blair, supported Labour, writing for the Times and working for the BBC, but appeared to disown Labour after Blair left. On BBC QT he became more and more like Nigel Fararge and in his views when I saw him. He has seemed to have outburts in the media that he knew would get him attention. I think it would be fair to describe him as Anti-Woke.
He did realise people were angry in places like Teesside and why they were, unlike the majority of the Media. He also had sympathy with the left behind.
Big_Nothing
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And yet he remains a racist, noncey, bigoted c*nt.
Otto42
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It’s an interesting phenomena, which Brexit further fuelled and the so called culture wars intensified.
I have a mate, who when I first met him 20 years ago was an old fashioned Scottish socialist, but as a massive Rangers fan he’s slowly changed through anti independence, Brexit and a dislike of Celtic into a rabid right winger.
sweet_left_foot
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Another day dawn's grey
It's enough to make me spit
But we go on our way
Just putting up with it
And when I try to make my
Feelings known to you
You sound like you have changed from red to blue
You're a father now
You seen things in different ways
For every parent will
Gain perspective on their wilder days
But that alone does not explain
The change I see in you
The way you've drifted off from red to blue
Sometimes I think to myself
Should I vote red for my class
Or green for our children
But whatever choice I make I will not forsake
So you bought it all
The best your money could buy
And I watched you sell your soul
For the bright shining light
Where are the principles
Of the friend I thought I knew
I guess you let them fade from red to blue
I hate the compromises
That life forces us to make
We all must all bend a little
If we are not to break
But the ideas you've opted out of
I still hold them to be true
I guess they weren't so firmly held by you
Billy Bragg
It's enough to make me spit
But we go on our way
Just putting up with it
And when I try to make my
Feelings known to you
You sound like you have changed from red to blue
You're a father now
You seen things in different ways
For every parent will
Gain perspective on their wilder days
But that alone does not explain
The change I see in you
The way you've drifted off from red to blue
Sometimes I think to myself
Should I vote red for my class
Or green for our children
But whatever choice I make I will not forsake
So you bought it all
The best your money could buy
And I watched you sell your soul
For the bright shining light
Where are the principles
Of the friend I thought I knew
I guess you let them fade from red to blue
I hate the compromises
That life forces us to make
We all must all bend a little
If we are not to break
But the ideas you've opted out of
I still hold them to be true
I guess they weren't so firmly held by you
Billy Bragg
Redwurzel
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Rod Liddle for me is the classic far left winger teenager/student that as his circumstances (income and wealth increased, become older) changed has gone right wing and a hearning for how it was when they were a child.
Ref Rangers fan, I agree people are pushed now more into silos - However at Teesside Poly I knew a 18/19 year old Rangers fan from Glasgow who went to some Boro games with me for a few months. He was solid anti-IRA, probably voted Conservative, we avoided politics. I enjoyed his passion for football. I drifted away from him, but caught up occasionlly. 6 months away from Glasgow though he went SDP (Social Democrat). I think he was only surrounded by Orange Order stuff in Glasgow and it did affect his outlook on life. To me Glasgow has been in silos for decades.
Ref Rangers fan, I agree people are pushed now more into silos - However at Teesside Poly I knew a 18/19 year old Rangers fan from Glasgow who went to some Boro games with me for a few months. He was solid anti-IRA, probably voted Conservative, we avoided politics. I enjoyed his passion for football. I drifted away from him, but caught up occasionlly. 6 months away from Glasgow though he went SDP (Social Democrat). I think he was only surrounded by Orange Order stuff in Glasgow and it did affect his outlook on life. To me Glasgow has been in silos for decades.
Any set of life experiences can lead you into any set of political positions. Is she prepared to be challenged? Or is she too embedded in an ideology? I've got to be honest, it sounds as if you are destined to have an increasingly distant relationship...
Abel Tasman
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Which is a bummer if its his wife.
