hopesoboro
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How high Donald old boy?
Michel Barnier “No significant progress in Brexit talks”
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SmallTown
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Once again, someone can't "concede" anything in trade talks if the other side don't show up.
I think it's your hero Johnson who want's the no deal. Or at least his rich backers do. I am just stunned you can't see you're being played.
SmallTown
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We'll if you didn't know it before, then you've learned that. Well done, you're growing/
NYboro
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...but they didn't - only 48% voted for them.
Centralscrutinizer
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And they're reneging on the manifesto that those 48% voted for.
Muttley
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"The link between Covid and Brexit is that, if you back a PM from a movement with no respect for truth, who sells fake nostalgic dreams, and pretends reality can be wished away, you have no right to be surprised when his ineptitude leaves thousands dead"
Nicked from Twitter #NotMovingOnTilDomHasGone
And after a "No Deal Brexit" (which appears to be what Dom is engineering) thousands unemployed, chemical chicken in the shops and the closure of the UK farming industry. Oh, and still no fishing industry to speak of. Perhaps then you might just realise that voting for Corbyn 'n' Abbott might just have been a better idea than this incompetent puppet and his profiteering master.
Making Britain Shidt Again
Nicked from Twitter #NotMovingOnTilDomHasGone
And after a "No Deal Brexit" (which appears to be what Dom is engineering) thousands unemployed, chemical chicken in the shops and the closure of the UK farming industry. Oh, and still no fishing industry to speak of. Perhaps then you might just realise that voting for Corbyn 'n' Abbott might just have been a better idea than this incompetent puppet and his profiteering master.
Making Britain Shidt Again
Funky_Chicken
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It seems some people are going to have to wait until their heads are right inside the lions mouth before they realise that actually this isn’t a very good place to be 
Lefty
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Because they didn't understand Brexit, thought it would be easy, didn't have a plan and are so immersed in British (and their own) exceptionalism, they are faced after 4 years, of choosing between Brexit In Name Only, which they have said too much to be able to pursue, or WTO terms. So it's that and deflect the blame onto the EU bogeyman. This was so predicted years ago.
NYboro
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..only now, they can blame it on Covid as well as the EU.
Second Mate
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Centralscrutinizer
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Jump in and educate us about how well this government are doing and how they'll make a success of leaving the EU.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Well don't blame others for not knowing more than you.
Corco65
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There seem little point in talking about the merits and the pit falls of Brexit again. The country is devided by it and always will be. As much as I want to remain, for whatever reasons the majority of people voted to leave and then voted even more decisively for Johnson and his right wing colleagues with the headline of get Brexit done. I fear that ordinary people are going to be much worse off in so many ways as highlighted so many times before but that's what they wanted, unless we over throw the government and disregard democracy (despite some of the questionable tactics) we unfortunately just have to get on with it and be lead by a bunch of self serving charlatan's who I despise and grow more angry with by the day.
Way_Out_West
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He was certainly taking control when he shunted Hancock out there own this own earlier.We need Johnson to tell us all he is taking ‘personal control’ of these negotiations so we can all relax and sleep easy. Remember this week, after months of abject failure, he has told us he is taking personal control of COVID much to our relief
Lefty
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Yes, the conversation needs to be around understanding and illuminating the flawed thought processes that half of the population fell victim to. Re-establishing critical thinking, logic and the principles of the enlightenment is the most important battle we have now.
Laughing
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To be clear, leaving the EU, in and of itself, is a valid political point of view. There is a lot wrong with the EU, and over time it has got worse. Applying Occam's razor would suggest it will continue the political creap.
That's why I wanted out of the union, for political reasons.
What I didn't want was a no-deal. I was happy with paying into the union for access to the market place and for freedom of movement of people. I wanted out from the political group that the EU had become.
There in lies the problem, it was never very clear what we were voting for. I thought Corbyn's idea of a referendum on an agreed deal v staying put was actually a fairly adult compromise.
I was actually distraught when Johnson walked the last election and could see the sh!tstorm that was coming.
I, of course, accept that some people voted to leave because of immigration. Whilst not a very bright stance, it is still a valid political ideology, albeit a bit abhorrent to most.
To a large extent Barnier is trying to hold Johnson to the promises he made to parliament when he pushed through the brexit bill, a bill that has since been changed out of all recognition.
I believe that this will end up being an expensive experiment and we will end up back in the EU.
If I could go back and change my ballot paper, I would. For 2 reasons, first, I never expected Johnson to ever be near no 10 and secondly I never considered the GFA. I wouldn't consider the break up of the Union as a fair price to pay for leaving the EU.
That's why I wanted out of the union, for political reasons.
What I didn't want was a no-deal. I was happy with paying into the union for access to the market place and for freedom of movement of people. I wanted out from the political group that the EU had become.
There in lies the problem, it was never very clear what we were voting for. I thought Corbyn's idea of a referendum on an agreed deal v staying put was actually a fairly adult compromise.
I was actually distraught when Johnson walked the last election and could see the sh!tstorm that was coming.
I, of course, accept that some people voted to leave because of immigration. Whilst not a very bright stance, it is still a valid political ideology, albeit a bit abhorrent to most.
To a large extent Barnier is trying to hold Johnson to the promises he made to parliament when he pushed through the brexit bill, a bill that has since been changed out of all recognition.
I believe that this will end up being an expensive experiment and we will end up back in the EU.
If I could go back and change my ballot paper, I would. For 2 reasons, first, I never expected Johnson to ever be near no 10 and secondly I never considered the GFA. I wouldn't consider the break up of the Union as a fair price to pay for leaving the EU.
FatCat
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You would expect Barnier at al to ramp up the rhetoric - what with this and the comms between the eu and the other parties last month they see that it is about to come to an end. I think by the end of this month if nothing changes, legally it will be very difficult to go for yet another extension. I expect to hear nothing but this and covid in the headlines until the end of this month.
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Second Mate
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Not trying to defend any party at all of any persuasion, just agreeing with otto that it's tedious and not informative reading the same old message time and again. I am neither right or left and don't have an inflexible agenda that it appears many on here have.
Funky_Chicken
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It’s a race to the bottom - if I was a young fella again I’d be making plans to start a new life somewhere else. I can only see things getting progressively worse here now