Ian Bairds Ears
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That is probably the advanced talks section of the negotiation...
Michael carrick into 6/1 second fav
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Caesium137
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So someone from Brentford then?
Ian Bairds Ears
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Don't want Leo having another game in charge... i don't want him combusting...let's get carrick in the dugout for Saturday and start the carrick chapter...
uncle_rico
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Me too, although doesn't sound like any decision or announcement is close.Don't want Leo having another game in charge... i don't want him combusting...let's get carrick in the dugout for Saturday and start the carrick chapter...
If the new man is appointed before Saturday and has a bit of time to work with the squad, then it will give the place a massive lift. Blackburn is going to be a very tough game, and I think we'll struggle if we continue with what we've had for the last 2 games.
viv_andersons_nana
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Firstly, you don’t know how near or far Boro were to signing a midfielder. Would it have been better to overpay for someone for the sake of it, just so we had someone. Like Mowatt, maybe.
Maybe Wilder didn’t get the money because the club were being, or trying to be, a little more prudent instead of paying for Assombalonga 2.0. Would you rather they signed any old expensive sh*te in the summer or waited until the right players become available? This is where some posters massively contradict themselves IMO.
Has the club gone backwards for the past 15 years? Look at the final league positions, it really doesn’t look like it has.
Do I expect people to be happy with where we are at the moment? No. Do I expect to see the chairman, his staff, previous managers absolutely slaughtered on a daily basis in often quite unpleasant fashion? No, I don’t. I think it’s unfair and smacks of arrogance and small-mindedness. People just talk absolute sh*te, let’s just accept it. Me included. People lambasting Boro staff to this degree is just awful, to my mind. It doesn’t help anyone, it doesn’t achieve anything. It just makes those doing it look really petty and bitter.
This poring over everything from Southgate to Monk to McClaren, often rewriting history along the way in some cases. I don’t see the point of it really. Let the club find the next manager and then judge him on results. Try and enjoy it for a time. Not everything that goes wrong is the result of gross incompetence, a scandal, a deliberate attempt to p*ss off a load of supporters. Don’t be so judgmental. Look forward to the next man and let’s see what he can do.
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uncle_rico
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We are no different to any other club really. We will have good times and bad, let's just try to enjoy the ride.
newyddion
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Carrick in the stands with Leo signing off with a winDon't want Leo having another game in charge... i don't want him combusting...let's get carrick in the dugout for Saturday and start the carrick chapter...
JM14
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15 years ago we were in the premier league having recently played in a European cup final and now we are in the championship relegation zone. Even 6 years ago we were in the premier league and you don’t think we have gone backwards?
Ultimately we had a squad and manager last season that showed signs of being able to challenge at the top, the best player was sold this summer which includes 25 million worth of player sales and our response was to sign Mowatt on loan who couldn’t even get into another championship side and get rid of Payero when we had no replacement lined up. Try to defend Gibson all you want but that’s yet another example of how badly this club is being run
indeedido
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Matt Clarke was 26.
You also don't make profit if the ones you sign are not very good.
I agree wholeheartedly that buying smart and looking to make transfer profit is intelligent.
I'm not sure pointing at our windows since Scott came in is evidence we've bought smart at all.
newyddion
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Bit of a redundant argument to say the championship is lower down in stature than the premier league or a European cup final. We needed to sell Tavernier and Fry.. the sale of Spence has probably allowed us to keep Dael Fry? He didn’t want to leave, Chris Wilder made it very clear he wanted rid. He also wanted Dwight Gayle which Steve Gibson pulled the plug on. CW was criticised for his poor recruitment at Sheffield btw
Can you imagine where we’d be with Fry gone and Gayle through the door? Even with the transfer fee spent on Larsen Strand.. how did we line up with Lenihan injured?
I think Gibson has done well, Wilder was a Monk in Schteves clothing
Middlesbrough123
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Imagine signing Gayle and Larsen for big money and zero goals and be without fry 
JM14
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Gibson has done well? How many other clubs have had a drop as significant as us over the last 15 years? Sunderland, Bolton? Would you claim they are well run?
We only needed to sell because of the way we have mismanaged our finances but good players were available who could have been a long term replacement for Tav, Twine for example cost less than we paid for Forss
Ian Bairds Ears
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Great last line ..I know what you mean
newyddion
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Scott Twine has played 20 minutes for Burnley.. plus who is to say he wanted to sign for us? Talks might have been further down the line with recently relegated Burnley.
Would you sign for Vincent Kompany who wants you from the off.. or Chris Wilder as a second thought.
Still 20 minutes for Burnley so far.. maybe we can pick him up for £6m in January!!
JM14
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Isn’t he injured? He will be a quality player, same as Matt ORiley who was at the same club too. Hard to believe we didn’t take a chance on either of them for the price.
Just an example of players being available though, instead we replaced Tav with Mowatt who is terrible and likely on big wages who will then also need replacing again next summer. Not hard to see where we go wrong
Jonny Ingbar
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I think the Mowatt signing suggests to me that we couldn't get our main targets in at the time, either we couldn't get the deal done, or that someone is coming to the end of contract next summer.
Either way we've gone for a temporary fix.
viv_andersons_nana
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Well
You could say we’ve been in decline since 2017. But even then, we’ve been in the playoffs after relegation and then gone from 7th to 17th to 10th and back to 7th. To me that isn’t really what actual decline looks like. In fact going off league positions of the past couple of years, we’ve seen improvements. And I think this group of players is much better than 21st/22nd in the Championship.
There are some shortcomings. But just declaring that there’s been a decade and a half of decline, a disgrace, nothing but poor decisions, demanding people are hauled over the coals or sacked, it’s just nonsense IMO. I’m not even sure I’m really defending Gibson either. I just don’t see what dredging up stuff from 2008 or 2013 achieves when assessing the fact we need to strengthen the midfield and tighten up at the back.
Incidentally we’re pretty much exactly where we were in terms of squad and what needs to be done when Aitor took over from Mowbray.
Well what you’re saying doesn’t really make sense and certainly lacks nuance. Can 15-year long decline include the two full seasons under Karanka? Surely this decline ends with his appointment and the promotion, or at least ends the first spell of this decline.
You could say we’ve been in decline since 2017. But even then, we’ve been in the playoffs after relegation and then gone from 7th to 17th to 10th and back to 7th. To me that isn’t really what actual decline looks like. In fact going off league positions of the past couple of years, we’ve seen improvements. And I think this group of players is much better than 21st/22nd in the Championship.
There are some shortcomings. But just declaring that there’s been a decade and a half of decline, a disgrace, nothing but poor decisions, demanding people are hauled over the coals or sacked, it’s just nonsense IMO. I’m not even sure I’m really defending Gibson either. I just don’t see what dredging up stuff from 2008 or 2013 achieves when assessing the fact we need to strengthen the midfield and tighten up at the back.
Incidentally we’re pretty much exactly where we were in terms of squad and what needs to be done when Aitor took over from Mowbray.
indeedido
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1998-99 PL 9th
99-2000. PL 12th
00-01. PL 14th
01-02. PL 12th
02-03. PL 11th
03-04 PL 11th
04-05. PL 7th
05-06. PL 14th
06-07. PL 12th
07-08. PL 13th
08-09 PL 19th
09-10. Ch 11th
10-11. Ch 12th
11-12. Ch 7th
12-13 Ch 16th
13-14 Ch 12th Karanka rescues the season
14-15. Ch 4th.
15-16 Ch 2nd
16-17. PL 19th Karanka sacked without a plan.
17-18. Ch 5th
18-19. Ch 7th
19-20. Ch 17th
20-21. Ch 10th
21-22. Ch 7th.
It looks fairly clear Viv that the club has gone backwards on the pitch.
(A comparison of financial positions would make even worse reading and sorry Viv, but that does matter)
JM14
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It always seems to be a temporary fix though. The reason we had such an issue signing strikers was because we had 3 on loan last season which none of them were ever going to be long term. That’s a lot to be replacing every summer because we keep filling our squad with loans.
This summer we are also going to have to replace Munez, Mowatt, Giles and Steffan. 4 key positions where we will be loosing loan players so fully expect us to be in the same position again next summer scraping the barrel for players because we can’t afford or can’t attract the players we actually need in time for the season starting