Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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Deaths per million, Sweden up to 329 this week, and climbing, quickly, as they're not really recovering.
Who is above them? France, UK, Italy, Spain and Belgium. Every single one of those had a higher initial infection, had less notice than Sweden and is showing sustained recovery of about -3 to -5% per week, Sweden isn't even recovering.
 
borolad259 said:
Yep, and they misinterpreted it too.
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How, which one is the deaths per day graph?

Sweden are testing pretty much lower than anyone, so how many are not going down as death from covid? If they can't test the healthy or the sick, they won't be testing the dead.

Aren't Sweden also excluding people that die from covid if you have other issues? Like if you had cancer or heart disease and covid, and you died, then it doesn't get put down as covid.
 
You do understand how the deaths per million thing works don't you? That number will always grow while there are still deaths in the population as it is a cumulative total. It will also grow here and Spain and Italy. It will also grow in places like Denmark and Finland as they come out of their stricter lockdowns. Spain, for instance, is only just opening up the the level that Sweden has always been at. So before making to many comparisions, see how they do over time. Anyway, I can't help it if you can't be bothered to look at the actual data.
 
Wev1 said:
How, which one is the deaths per day graph?

Sweden are testing pretty much lower than anyone, so how many are not going down as death from covid? If they can't test the healthy or the sick, they won't be testing the dead.

Aren't Sweden also excluding people that die from covid if you have other issues? Like if you had cancer or heart disease and covid, and you died, then it doesn't get put down as covid.
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Avlidna/dag is the graph you need. So click on that label under the top graph.

The rest of your text there, no.
 
borolad259 said:
You do understand how the deaths per million thing works don't you? That number will always grow while there are still deaths in the population as it is a cumulative total. It will also grow here and Spain and Italy. It will also grow in places like Denmark and Finland as they come out of their stricter lockdowns. Spain, for instance, is only just opening up the the level that Sweden has always been at. So before making to many comparisions, see how they do over time. Anyway, I can't help it if you can't be bothered to look at the actual data.
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You Aksothers to change their tone and be civil, but you are being quite obnoxious in your replies yourself

As you have stated yourself emotions can run high.

I don’t see a problem in wevs graphs, they show deaths per day in a graph. How is the data input wrong or how have they interpreted it wrong.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You Aksothers to change their tone and be civil, but you are being quite obnoxious in your replies yourself

As you have stated yourself emotions can run high.

I don’t see a problem in wevs graphs, they show deaths per day in a graph. How is the data input wrong or how have they interpreted it wrong.
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Because the number in that graph is the numer of deaths reported on a given day. However, because of the way Sweden works, with each death relating to a personal number, and collected in the regions, there is a short lag, especially over weekends. This is why you see pronounced spikes in that graph. Most of the deaths in those spikes are historical, spread over approx 10 days. The actual number of deaths per day is falling, slowly as a trend, though not as dramatically as on the avlidna/dag graph. I apologise for shortness of tone, but I am in the middle of some work and I have explained all of this several times before.
 
borolad259 said:
You do understand how the deaths per million thing works don't you? That number will always grow while there are still deaths in the population as it is a cumulative total. It will also grow here and Spain and Italy. It will also grow in places like Denmark and Finland as they come out of their stricter lockdowns. Spain, for instance, is only just opening up the the level that Sweden has always been at. So before making to many comparisions, see how they do over time. Anyway, I can't help it if you can't be bothered to look at the actual data.
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Of course I do, don't be patronising again, it doesn't suit when you're trying to promote something that is defective.
UK (486, a $hit job, which everyone agrees on, other than Boris) - losing 400 per day out of 70,000,000, so 6 per million, per day (ish)
France (410) will go down that list losing 200 per day out of 70,000,000, about 3 per million per day
Sweden (329) will climb that deaths per day if they're losing 100 per day from 10,000,000, about 10 per million per day

So, currently Sweden are catching up on France, by 7 per day, per million, and the UK by 4 per day per million. If things stay as they are today, then give it a couple of weeks and they will be ahead of France, and ahead of the UK in 6 weeks on the "deaths per million race". That's with more notice than either us or France had.

Now, factor in that the UK and France are recovering and Sweden are not, then in a month Sweden could still be on 10 pdpm, where as you can bet your house France won't be on 3 pdpm, and we will probably be on less than 2 pdpm.

Jesus, that sounds like I'm actually defending the UK. I'm not the job we've done is horrendous, but Sweden are going to comparatively end up worse than us, which can only be a disgrace. Also, had we done the Sweden model over here, we would be 20 times worse off, basically as our people aren't responsible enough. Good on them for being responsible, that's commendable, but it's not enough.
 
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borolad259 said:
Because the number in that graph is the numer of deaths reported on a given day. However, because of the way Sweden works, with each death relating to a personal number, and collected in the regions, there is a short lag, especially over weekends. This is why you see pronounced spikes in that graph. Most of the deaths in those spikes are historical, spread over approx 10 days. The actual number of deaths per day is falling, slowly as a trend, though not as dramatically as on the avlidna/dag graph. I apologise for shortness of tone, but I am in the middle of some work and I have explained all of this several times before.
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Ah okay i understand what you saying.

Isn't there an element of lag that across ither countries, I know some U.K. deaths have a lag, up to a few weeks for example
 
borolad259 said:
Because the number in that graph is the numer of deaths reported on a given day. However, because of the way Sweden works, with each death relating to a personal number, and collected in the regions, there is a short lag, especially over weekends. This is why you see pronounced spikes in that graph. Most of the deaths in those spikes are historical, spread over approx 10 days. The actual number of deaths per day is falling, slowly as a trend, though not as dramatically as on the avlidna/dag graph. I apologise for shortness of tone, but I am in the middle of some work and I have explained all of this several times before.
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That's basically how the UK graph is working, and how most others are working. We will have a big death toll today, after the weekend toll kicks in. It will probably be 3 times yesterdays figure.

If Sweden's curve is flattening off at 100 deaths per day (or 90 or 80) then that's not good, it has to reduce. The number is also far too high for a country of it's size/ population.
 
1. It is reducing and not flattening (and it is considerably less than 100 deaths per day, a figure that has been exceded precisely 4 times in the whole epidemic)
2. I am not promoting or defending Sweden's approach. I have repeatedly said that it's too early to judge.
 
borolad259 said:
1. It is reducing and not flattening (and it is considerably less than 100 deaths per day, a figure that has been exceeded precisely 4 times in the whole epidemic)
2. I am not promoting or defending Sweden's approach. I have repeatedly said that it's too early to judge.
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Last week they had 90, 85, 87, 99, 135, 45 and 5. That's 546 total, so 78 per day, average (effectively similar to us having about 550 per day), not exactly a million miles away (based on an initial quick look at a logarithmic graph, which is what everyone is doing for every country as a very basic look at it). This also looks like more than the week before and that's also including messed up figures with a bank holiday.

You do seem to be defending it. Yes it's too early to be judge, jury and executioner, but sometimes you need to make a quick decision as you don't get a second chance. We're paying the price for that, and so is Sweden.

The risk of letting people get infected and to an infection greater than you can test or recover from is massive. It's effectively the herd immunity method, and the whole world with any experience of this is saying it's a bad idea.

Sweden's got about 6 times the deaths per day of Norway, Finland and Denmark combined (with the combined three also having a 50% larger population).

At that rate, if Sweden had herd immunity in about a year and somehow magically got to no deaths, then it would take an extra 6 years for Norway, Finland and Denmark to catch up. That would still be assuming Norway, Finland and Denmark hadn't eradicated it before then, which they probably would have.

Norway, Finland and Denmark will be more "open for business" in the next two weeks, than Sweden ever could be on 80 deaths per day. They pretty much already have all their shops open already and bars open next week!

You also have to think about the rest of the world too, is anyone going to accept Swedish goods/ personnel/ Air travel if they're still on 80 deaths per day, or even 50? The other countries could have pretty much eradicated it and got test, track, and isolate covered.
 
Again you persist with incorrect data. The figures were
1/05 68
2/05 63
3/05 64
4/05 60
5/05 45
6/05 42
7/06 36
8/05 18

these will be updated (particularly the later in the week). Anyway, I'll leave replying to you alone now. I have better things to do.
 
What you have just posted are numbers from known incorrect data/ graph, which seem to get updated (upwards) over the coming 1,2 and 3 weeks. So what are those going to end up at?
Today they had 57? What's that going to get adjusted up to?
 
Wow, there is a shift there from what he was saying just a week ago. He says that they now have data in Sweden to show that 98 to 99% of people have mild, or asymptomatic disease. I'd love to see that data (I think it may be June before we do see it). But that's very different from the 80 to 90% he was saying just over a week ago. He must be seeing data from the serological testing.
 
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Have you seen any information on kids testing positive for Covid-19 with Kawasaki disease in Sweden? I can't see anything from googling, but they haven't haven't closed schools so it would be interesting to see rates of incidence compared with those countries that have locked down.
 
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