Managers at boro

Paulh10

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Mowbray way forced to operate on a tight budget signings such as main ,kamara,etc .woodgate another local lad if he had good support I think he would have had a very different outcome.Cant keep blaming managers.Sir Alex in his prime would struggle here.
 
Mowbray way forced to operate on a tight budget signings such as main ,kamara,etc .woodgate another local lad if he had good support I think he would have had a very different outcome.Cant keep blaming managers.Sir Alex in his prime would struggle here.
How many managers who’ve come with a decent enough reputation and some decent enough records but failed?

Strachan, kept Coventry in the prem for years and was ok at Celtic. Came here and was so bad it’s not even funny. Monk. Did pretty well for Leeds got them going and was saught after. Came here. Major failure.

Pullis. Ok not great Football but kept stoke competitive in the prem for years. Came here. Wasn’t great. His record here isn’t as bad as others. But still not good. Warnock. Took clubs up for fun on low budgets. Big standing in the game, comes here. Did well at first. Then poor. Now wilder, big stock. Most are buzzing. Now look at us.

There’s something fundamentally wrong at the core in my opinion. Why do decent managers come here and fail? None have been successful baring Karanka since mclaren. It’s a joke. Mowbray had nowt to work with. We were financially knackered at the time. But again ultimately failed and got the boot.

Woody no experience same as Southgate but both very poor. The worst decision Mr Gibson made was appointing Gareth Southgate. Great player. Was no where near ready. And we’ve never ever recovered.
 
How many managers who’ve come with a decent enough reputation and some decent enough records but failed?

Strachan, kept Coventry in the prem for years and was ok at Celtic. Came here and was so bad it’s not even funny. Monk. Did pretty well for Leeds got them going and was saught after. Came here. Major failure.

Pullis. Ok not great Football but kept stoke competitive in the prem for years. Came here. Wasn’t great. His record here isn’t as bad as others. But still not good. Warnock. Took clubs up for fun on low budgets. Big standing in the game, comes here. Did well at first. Then poor. Now wilder, big stock. Most are buzzing. Now look at us.

There’s something fundamentally wrong at the core in my opinion. Why do decent managers come here and fail? None have been successful baring Karanka since mclaren. It’s a joke. Mowbray had nowt to work with. We were financially knackered at the time. But again ultimately failed and got the boot.

Woody no experience same as Southgate but both very poor. The worst decision Mr Gibson made was appointing Gareth Southgate. Great player. Was no where near ready. And we’ve never ever recovered.
Strachan has always been dreadful. Monk had a fluke season.. crashed and burned ever since. Pulis was a blag and Warnock did what he does best.

Southgate did a great job in the circumstances and Woodgate did the job he was brought in to do.
What decent managers have failed?

Mowbray did a sterling job!!! I think only now are folks starting to see that.

Young talent is given opportunity, that is where we excell, that is where we have punched above our weight.

Managers fail, Gibson recognises this so he goes for cheep left field appointments.

Loan transfers can give us the edge.. that’s where we put our money.

Experienced free agents provide the balance.

We pushed too hard, like in the prem
 
Wilder will stay till World Cup break then when Southgate inevitably gets sacked by England will come back "home" and be our saviour.
 
Strachan has always been dreadful. Monk had a fluke season.. crashed and burned ever since. Pulis was a blag and Warnock did what he does best.

Southgate did a great job in the circumstances and Woodgate did the job he was brought in to do.
What decent managers have failed?

Mowbray did a sterling job!!! I think only now are folks starting to see that.

Young talent is given opportunity, that is where we excell, that is where we have punched above our weight.

Managers fail, Gibson recognises this so he goes for cheep left field appointments.

Loan transfers can give us the edge.. that’s where we put our money.

Experienced free agents provide the balance.

We pushed too hard, like in the prem
I agree with Mogga. He did a great job and I’d have him back tomorrow. But the people fore mentioned were doing ok before they came here. Had decent reputations in the game. Pullis done it for years. No fluke. Monk had Leeds playing attacking football. You say Southgate did a decent job, we got relegated which we hadn’t been since the robson days. Says it all really
 
Strachan has always been dreadful. Monk had a fluke season.. crashed and burned ever since. Pulis was a blag and Warnock did what he does best.

Southgate did a great job in the circumstances and Woodgate did the job he was brought in to do.
What decent managers have failed?

Mowbray did a sterling job!!! I think only now are folks starting to see that.

Young talent is given opportunity, that is where we excell, that is where we have punched above our weight.

Managers fail, Gibson recognises this so he goes for cheep left field appointments.

Loan transfers can give us the edge.. that’s where we put our money.

Experienced free agents provide the balance.

We pushed too hard, like in the prem
"Managers fail, Gibson recognises this so he goes for cheep left field appointments."

Are you suggesting he appoints Funky Chicken next? :ROFLMAO:

( sorry couldn't resist, had to cheer myself up somehow or other )
 
I agree with Mogga. He did a great job and I’d have him back tomorrow. But the people fore mentioned were doing ok before they came here. Had decent reputations in the game. Pullis done it for years. No fluke. Monk had Leeds playing attacking football. You say Southgate did a decent job, we got relegated which we hadn’t been since the robson days. Says it all really
Strachan had a reputation of being a shyte manager. Pulis scraping the bottom in the prem doing whatever it took to avoid relegation is vey different to being the improvement we needed that would result in promotion. He wasn’t and it didn’t.

Southgate was failed by recruitment, but more specifically the banks refusing to allow us to spend the Stewart Downing transfer money from Spurs in January.
 
How many managers who’ve come with a decent enough reputation and some decent enough records but failed?

Strachan, kept Coventry in the prem for years and was ok at Celtic. Came here and was so bad it’s not even funny. Monk. Did pretty well for Leeds got them going and was saught after. Came here. Major failure.

Pullis. Ok not great Football but kept stoke competitive in the prem for years. Came here. Wasn’t great. His record here isn’t as bad as others. But still not good. Warnock. Took clubs up for fun on low budgets. Big standing in the game, comes here. Did well at first. Then poor. Now wilder, big stock. Most are buzzing. Now look at us.

There’s something fundamentally wrong at the core in my opinion. Why do decent managers come here and fail? None have been successful baring Karanka since mclaren. It’s a joke. Mowbray had nowt to work with. We were financially knackered at the time. But again ultimately failed and got the boot.

Woody no experience same as Southgate but both very poor. The worst decision Mr Gibson made was appointing Gareth Southgate. Great player. Was no where near ready. And we’ve never ever recovered.
About Southgate I agree he wasn't ready but he had 3 priorities reduce the wage bill, reduce the wage bill and reduce the wage bill further. Considering the constraints he worked under I don't think he performed worse than others.
 
What decent managers have failed?


Managers fail, Gibson recognises this so he goes for cheep left field appointments.

Decent managers who failed - Strachan, Monk, Pulis, Warnock, Wilder

Left field appointments - Southgate, Karanka, Woodgate.

Steve Gibson has gone with tried and tested managers, and with inexperienced rookies. He's backed them with money most of the time. None of them have worked out. I don't really know what else or what more he could have done. The frustration for me is that most of these managers came with a preconceived idea of what formation to play, and none of them considered the talent available to them. They've all tried to fit the players to the system and not the system to the players.

Also it's apparent that attracting good players to Teesside is a very difficult job. MFC is continually paying way over the odds to bring players in who clearly would prefer anywhere to playing for MFC.

There must be young managerial talent out there that comes with fresh ideas. Who is the new guy at Brighton? De Zerbi? Who had heard of him? But Brighton played well enough to have won at Liverpool and with the same players, not a whole squad of new ones.
 
About Southgate I agree he wasn't ready but he had 3 priorities reduce the wage bill, reduce the wage bill and reduce the wage bill further. Considering the constraints he worked under I don't think he performed worse than others.
That’s a fair point. Mido. Ali hadamare. Digard. So much wasted money. And we moved some big players on and never replaced them. It’s more the fact Gibbo should never have given him the job at the time. We needed an experienced head to keep us going
 
Monk certainly wasn't doing a great job but in hindsight we weren't a million miles away. Had he been given more time, who knows how the season would have unfolded.

Strachan, now there was a disaster.

Mowbray should have been backed financially. Has been said a million times but doesn't make it untrue.

Karanka, what a man. And yet some idiots were complaining and calling for him to be sacked, even in the Championship. Some didn't know a great thing when we had it.

Woodgate should never have been appointed. Was never going to work. Probably our worst appointment to date.

Wilder, everyone was excited. It should be working, it's not. Is it still early days? A couple of wins and everything starts looking more positive. This is a project, not a quick fix.
 
Decent managers who failed - Strachan, Monk, Pulis, Warnock, Wilder

Left field appointments - Southgate, Karanka, Woodgate.

Steve Gibson has gone with tried and tested managers, and with inexperienced rookies. He's backed them with money most of the time. None of them have worked out. I don't really know what else or what more he could have done. The frustration for me is that most of these managers came with a preconceived idea of what formation to play, and none of them considered the talent available to them. They've all tried to fit the players to the system and not the system to the players.

Also it's apparent that attracting good players to Teesside is a very difficult job. MFC is continually paying way over the odds to bring players in who clearly would prefer anywhere to playing for MFC.

There must be young managerial talent out there that comes with fresh ideas. Who is the new guy at Brighton? De Zerbi? Who had heard of him? But Brighton played well enough to have won at Liverpool and with the same players, not a whole squad of new ones.
Strachan has never been a decent manger and neither has Garry Monk.

Pulis, Warnock & Wilder.. maybe

Pulis could not recognise his best players or a suitable system to get the best out of them.

Warnock was lifted before his back four was fit and Wilder.. well, he hasn’t failed yet.
 
Happy to commit to a long term project with Wilder.
BUT the fact that it looks that he was willingto leave us just after 6 months or so (Burnley debacle) makes it fell like 'why should we'.
Getting a bit tired of him blaming everybody else but himself.
Talking about his personal past glories when they aren't that special to be fair.
Not sure he has the enthusiasm, nowse or energy to make the position a success.
He starting to look like an unlikeable narcissist that the team just don't like/understand.

Feels like we are making the game a lot harder than it should be at the moment.

Nme me another Championship Club who expected to sign a £20m striker this summer?
 
Warnock was lifted before his back four was fit and Wilder.. well, he hasn’t failed yet.
Yes he has. Look at the league table. Performances getting worse, not better. Struggling to score goals - as per the past five seasons. The defence leaking goals when it was good before, and despite signing new goalies and defenders.

It's not as though the team is really close to gelling or losing to good sides. Losing to poor teams and looking shambolic is not success.

I'm sure Steve Gibson doesn't want to sack him because that would indicate the season is a write off, but the reality is relegation is a real possibility, and it's becoming more and more likely with every baffling team selection and every poor performance.
 

[As of Sept 22nd]

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* We know what bookies are .......
Surprising if true, quite a few missing names

Liam Rosenior
Marcelo Bielsa
David Wagner
Florian Kohfeldt
Neil Warnock
Domenico Tedesco
Lee Bowyer
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

Joey Barton is an interesting one, I rated him as a player and he looks to have decent managerial chops to suit. David Wagner I think would suit our players.. we’ve been after him before. Liam Rosenior would be a great addition, big ask for a young coach. I think he’d be great. Get a few bargains off Derby while we’re at it!
 
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