SmallTown
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How many ways would have highlighted the issue this loudly though?
Luigi Mangione - Suspect Apprehended in Health CEO case.
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LaPennaBianca
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Murder is illegal and means jail. I have no idea what your point is.
I have no idea if Mangione was pushed to this or did it as a political statement. But he had lots of other recourse, both legal and illegal, that didn't involve taking a life.
LaPennaBianca
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A general strike would have.
Harder to do, but then again nothing worth doing is ever easy.
A cyber attack would have hit them in the pocket, albeit not as headline grabbing.
Rofesleg
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Maybe. But the UK was the only country using these violent actions, yet a lot of countries also gave suffrage to women between 1917-19. Without the violence.
After they had been relied upon to 'keep the home fires burning' during the war it was hard to justify women not being trusted to vote.
SmallTown
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Sad reality: it would be MUCH easier in America to buy a gun and shoot someone than to organise a general strike. By a big factor
Ex Footy Legs
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He's made 2 really bad but simple errors - the lad......that I can see.....and given the amount of stuff he got right when planning something like this (all the really difficult stuff !!! ID, Gun with a silencer, coolness in executing his gun, coolness running away ; onto a bike etc etc...)- you'd expect he would be able to not make these simple mistakes.
1, at the hostel he stayed - showing his face after the desk lady asked him to remove his face covering - surely he has to wear a covid mask - and state - I have covid, i'm not removing my mask for everyone's safety...whilst faking a cough...
2, showing his face in the coffee place and smiling...even bigger error - he should've had that covid mask on everywhere...
(its incredible how much we are on CCTV these days)
3rd and obviously a smaller error but - what's he doing in Maccie Ds ; he should've been lying low for weeks and maybe months so those CCTV mages drift away from peoples minds....
Luigi - WTF pal ?
Sounds like there may well be some mental health issues underlying his daily behaviours....struggles etc...to get those simple things wrong...
1, at the hostel he stayed - showing his face after the desk lady asked him to remove his face covering - surely he has to wear a covid mask - and state - I have covid, i'm not removing my mask for everyone's safety...whilst faking a cough...
2, showing his face in the coffee place and smiling...even bigger error - he should've had that covid mask on everywhere...
(its incredible how much we are on CCTV these days)
3rd and obviously a smaller error but - what's he doing in Maccie Ds ; he should've been lying low for weeks and maybe months so those CCTV mages drift away from peoples minds....
Luigi - WTF pal ?
Sounds like there may well be some mental health issues underlying his daily behaviours....struggles etc...to get those simple things wrong...
SmallTown
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Which makes it all the more likely he was trying to get caught.
TBF I think that's probably true in every country, regardless of them not having the USA's proliferation of guns.
I don't really know what the comments saying just do a general strike mean. Hard to do? Try impossible. It's not even a legal possibility in this country.
SmallTown
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Agreed, except France maybe? The level of difficulty for organising a generals strike must be high in "we hate commies" America and as we all know the difficulty of buying a gun is not so hard
Luigi Mangione comes from a really wealthy Baltimore family. He's hardly lower class.
Whether the AI was faulty or not is the subject of a lawsuit. UnitedHealth denies it is faulty. I have no idea whether it works properly or not, but you can't simply conflate a claim in a lawsuit with a bald assertion that the CEO "literally knowingly killed people".
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the US Health Care Insurance business, it's impossible to justify the cold blooded killing of someone over it.
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JonnyHistory
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I am not justifying anything I am saying I empathise and understand the gun mans actions.
His family where wealthy yes, but he was clearly a class conscious individual and not in the Billionaire category.
American insurers knowingly kill people in the US everyday. United Health's rejection rate is twice the national average at close to a third of all applications. The AI being allegedly faulty is only the tip of the iceberg, they knowingly leave people without coverage and passive debt on a daily basis.
Look at the outpouring of stories from left and right on America about who these predators have ruined lives. When you look at all the context it's easy to see why this has happened and have sympathy with the killer.
Ex Footy Legs
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From NBC;
On the official Facebook post about Thompson’s death from UnitedHealth Group, the parent company of UnitedHealthcare, most people reacted with the “laughter” emoji. Out of approximately 40,000 reactions on the post, 35,000 used the “Haha” emote and 2,200 used the “Sad” emote.
Some of the top sitewide posts on Reddit after the shooting were celebratory, ranging from memes that congratulated the shooter to top replies in subreddits like “r/nursing” that created a mock coverage review and claim denial for Thompson’s care. “This fatal shooting has been reviewed by a peer and is considered a non-covered experimental procedure,” read a reply with over 2,400 upvotes. :ROFLMAO:
On the official Facebook post about Thompson’s death from UnitedHealth Group, the parent company of UnitedHealthcare, most people reacted with the “laughter” emoji. Out of approximately 40,000 reactions on the post, 35,000 used the “Haha” emote and 2,200 used the “Sad” emote.
Some of the top sitewide posts on Reddit after the shooting were celebratory, ranging from memes that congratulated the shooter to top replies in subreddits like “r/nursing” that created a mock coverage review and claim denial for Thompson’s care. “This fatal shooting has been reviewed by a peer and is considered a non-covered experimental procedure,” read a reply with over 2,400 upvotes. :ROFLMAO:
Juninhoburger
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I mean laughing at it is a bit much, can't say i'm shedding any tears over the bloke being murdered though.
JonnyHistory
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I am not justifying anything I am saying I empathise and understand the gun mans actions.
His family where wealthy yes, but he was clearly a class conscious individual and not in the Billionaire category.
American insurers knowingly kill people in the US everyday. United Health's rejection rate is twice the national average at close to a third of all applications. The AI being allegedly faulty is only the tip of the iceberg, they knowingly leave people without coverage and passive debt on a daily basis.
Look at the outpouring of stories from left and right on America about who these predators have ruined lives. When you look at all the context it's easy to see why this has happened and have sympathy with the killer.
Absolutely.
JonnyHistory
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The point islmos
They have no political help in taking on the companies, they have reached a point of desperation and the populace in erica have said yeah good for you and I can understand exactly why that is.
Again not condoning murder but I certainly understand the motivation and see how it could be a net positive long term for this issue in the states.
The point is your suggestions where illegal or impractical for those impacted. They are all examples of political violence also albeit not as high up the totem pole as murder. They have no recourse, this is why America outside the billionaire class is fairly united in their sympathy for the gun man.
They have no political help in taking on the companies, they have reached a point of desperation and the populace in erica have said yeah good for you and I can understand exactly why that is.
Again not condoning murder but I certainly understand the motivation and see how it could be a net positive long term for this issue in the states.
The weird thing though is that even though they seem to be united in their condemnation of this particular insurance company they still don't seem to want free, universal healthcare. They just want the insurance system to be better/fairer. It's madness.
red_harrington
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You are jumping to conclusions here.
It is possible that UH took on insurance cases that included sick or vulnerable people that other insurance companies wouldn't touch.
It's also possible that their premiums were very low, so the poorest and therefore most vulnerable people were those that signed up. The policies themselves may not have covered everything that they were expected to cover, I'm sure there's a lot of fine print to go over that went unnoticed.
In other words, you get what you pay for.
I wouldn't be surprised that the insurers with expensive policies pay out a lot more than those with cheap polices.
BTW I am not condoning their practices or the system, it's a **** system we all know that, just looking at a wider perspective.