Luigi Mangione - Suspect Apprehended in Health CEO case.

[red_harrington]

Could his family do the same to the 10s of thousands of families his policies have killed? Or the thosands more that are in sometimes millions of dollars of debt because they have refused coverage?

Well it's not down to his family is it? They are innocent and not complicit.

If you're asking if HE could do this, then quite possibly, yes. The rules and law are on his side, plus he's obviously a hard-nosed businessman.

Anyway, the question was for ex-footy legs

 

[Glover_elbow]

Regardless of whether you have sympathy for his politics or not, he has taken the law into his own hands and killed a man.

Every person, no matter whether they're an angel or a scoundrel has the right to their own life.

Even hitler

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Even hitler

Say what you want about Hitler, but he did kill Hitler.

 

[ThePrisoner]

If he is the killer then he doesn't seem to have tried to hide from the police has he? Found in a McDonald's with his gun and a manifesto on him instead of lying low. Sounds like mental illness already.

 

[Rofesleg]

Regardless of his motives, surely vigilante assassinations aren't something to be applauded? This isn't a movie script.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Well it's not down to his family is it? They are innocent and not complicit.

If you're asking if HE could do this, then quite possibly, yes. The rules and law are on his side, plus he's obviously a hard-nosed businessman.

Anyway, the question was for ex-footy legs

I’m here.
I agree with jonnyhistory.

Hard nosed businessman ; is that a euphemism for modern day murderer of the slaves

His family might not have been complicit and that’s why they are alive…..
It’s tough at the top…

 

[red_harrington]

I’m here.
I agree with jonnyhistory.

Hard nosed businessman ; is that a euphemism for modern day murderer of the slaves

His family might not have been complicit and that’s why they are alive…..
It’s tough at the top…

You gonna answer the question?

How 'hard-nosed' are you?

 

[JonnyHistory]

Well it's not down to his family is it? They are innocent and not complicit.

If you're asking if HE could do this, then quite possibly, yes. The rules and law are on his side, plus he's obviously a hard-nosed businessman.

Anyway, the question was for ex-footy legs

Apartheid was a rule of law, ownership of humans was the rule of law.

Sometimes brutal violence is needed to enact change.

 

[SilentProf]

I’ve seen some bending over backwards on many issues on this site over the years but arguing that individuals should be able to assassinate people they disagree with and not be sent to prison is another level entirely. If the guy caused multiple deaths with this 90% incorrect claim processing AI tool, there should be a huge class action lawsuit against the firm and probably criminal charges against him personally. It doesn’t mean he should be murdered in the street to keep other healthcare CEO’s in check.

 

[RavsFan]

I can't believe there are people on here who appear to support this murder. The guy was shot coldly in the back. I accept many families with insurance that has been denied will be devastated at personal situations. Vigilantism is not the way a civilised society should behave though, whatever people think of an individual, a company or business and how they or it behaves. It is up to politicians and the agencies created to patrol fairness in society. Protest is legitimate, campaigning to highlight the perceived problems, murder is not acceptable, should never be lauded, no matter what the circumstances.

 

[Decent_Left]

Look fwd to the moral contortions from nominal "progressives" as the lads history starts to emerge now we know he was a big fan of Joe Rogan and appears to have been sufferring a 6 month mental episode.

A fiver for the first "shooting Health Insurance CEO's is fine just not by those kind of assasins" kinda thing

 

[Merrykoala]

Another in the "not condoning cold blooded murder and vigilantism" camp, but it's very telling about the lack of sympathy around this. Everyone knew the motive long before the guy was caught with a manifesto.

Not sure how this pans out now, if it goes to trial and he takes the stand he may use it as a soapbox. Could they declare him unfit for trial on mental health grounds or just set a ridiculous trial date and target his family's assets to pressure him into a guilty plea.

It has got people talking, for now, about outrageous health insurance pricing and practices but I don't think it will change anything. It seems Americans would rather die painfully in debt before accepting a 'socialised' health care system and no major party looks likely to ever propose or implement anything that properly addresses the issue

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Would you stand in front of the victim's wife & kids, look them in the eye, and say he deserved to be shot and killed in cold blood for what he did, and not only that but the killer should get off scott free?

No, I wouldn’t say that to the family, I would ask them if their conscience’s were clear on the subject of the behaviour of united healthcare and his leadership of the company or could they show a significant improvement in their compassion for human suffering.

Look at the reaction of the US people - what does that tell you about the simmering anger....it has to go somewhere sometime....

What you are witnessing is the beginning of the end of capitalism, with acts like this and the rich and powerful are blind to their reckoning, the greed ultimately destroys societies, no sense of society and or social justice and eventually lawlessness pervades said society in the beginning of the breakdown.

 

[SuperStu]

Don't fight the man, fight the system.

Do you genuinely think this is possible, or is it a coded way of saying put up and shut up?

 

[festa5]

Protest is legitimate, campaigning to highlight the perceived problems, murder is not acceptable, should never be lauded, no matter what the circumstances.

I do agree about murder is not acceptable and should never be lauded.

However I'm also not sure relying on politics, legitimate campaigning or protest is the answer any more either.

The deck is now ridiculously stacked towards the billionaires, they don't give a crap about protests. They have a strong grip on politicians and thanks to social media they control the narrative and strongly influence elections.

So what are the effective levers for the many people shafted by the system?

I agree murder and violence should never be the answer, but there is an element of the elite forcing this behaviour. Make people desperate enough and they'll do desperate things. Spread fear and hate and they'll do hateful things.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I can't believe there are people on here who appear to support this murder. The guy was shot coldly in the back. I accept many families with insurance that has been denied will be devastated at personal situations. Vigilantism is not the way a civilised society should behave though, whatever people think of an individual, a company or business and how they or it behaves. It is up to politicians and the agencies created to patrol fairness in society. Protest is legitimate, campaigning to highlight the perceived problems, murder is not acceptable, should never be lauded, no matter what the circumstances.

The USA is, in many ways just as bad as Russia, North Korea etc....people have very few employment rights, healthcare is very expensive and claims obviously very difficult to make, college education is mightily expensive, guns run through society like confetti, mass killings almost every month, no mental health services as Americans have it drilled into them ,look after yourself, the state shouldn't have to bail you out. No matter what your problems. Drugs & drug taking (class1) rife through society.
Recipe for disaster - eventually.....

These actions are snippets of what's to come.....people have spirit within in them, however, the way the system is set up in America with NRA, big Pharma & health insurance companies controlling politicians it's heading toward a dark place - that is for sure.
In isolation, this act was grotesque, yet if you broaden your vision and look deeper you see why....and it should (but it wont) worry a lot of rich and powerful but they are drunk on money and the power that enables them to enjoy...for now.

Its a dog eat dog societal model. And it don't work.

 

[SmallTown]

Would you stand in front of the victim's wife & kids, look them in the eye, and say he deserved to be shot and killed in cold blood for what he did, and not only that but the killer should get off scott free?

I think I could you know. Armed with the facts of all the misery and death that insurance company had caused. Not saying it’s right, no man’s an island entire of itself and all that, but neither is what they were doing

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I do agree about murder is not acceptable and should never be lauded.

However I'm also not sure relying on politics, legitimate campaigning or protest is the answer any more either.

The deck is now ridiculously stacked towards the billionaires, they don't give a crap about protests. They have a strong grip on politicians and thanks to social media they control the narrative and strongly influence elections.

So what are the effective levers for the many people shafted by the system?

I agree murder and violence should never be the answer, but there is an element of the elite forcing this behaviour. Make people desperate enough and they'll do desperate things. Spread fear and hate and they'll do hateful things.

Well said - and another way of saying what I just said...

 

[SmallTown]

If he is the killer then he doesn't seem to have tried to hide from the police has he? Found in a McDonald's with his gun and a manifesto on him instead of lying low. Sounds like mental illness already.

Or a political statement? He knew he was going to get caught, he also probably knew he wanted to highlight the evils of American health insurance

 

[JackG]

The USA in a nutshell. Abuse of market power meets the NRA