London: Chris Kaba

Even with Jean Charles de Menezes, the most egregious example of a police shooting in the UK that I can think of. When you put that in context and read about how that situation panned out - failed Tube bombing the day before, armed police on maximum high alert on public transport, mistaken identification of a guy with backpack as one of the suspects, runs from police and jumps ticket gate running towards packed train - you start to understand how the calculations they made were actually reasonable. Incredibly tragic in this case, because he truly was innocent of everything, but reasonable.
There was no backpack,the IPCC made a lot of public claims in the immediate aftermath, including him jumping the barriers, which wasnt him it was most likely the following " death squad", the CCTV footage of him on the bus, him at the underground station, and on the tube was ' faulty' and could not be retrieved 🤣 The independent witnesses evidence was at odds with claims made by the official version but the CCTV coverage was not available 🤣 to support either side. The only consolation for police apologists that it was most likely not the police special firearms unit or a section within Special Branch but a special unit taken from special ops to take out any believed bombers, he was thrown to the ground of the tube and had 5 bullets to the back of the head.
 
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Great to see the police officer has been suspended, finally moving in the right direction. You can’t just shoot an unarmed human and get away with it. It’s murder.
And you cannot evade the police without repercussion , especially if you have history and are known to the police , would there be the same outcry if the tables where turned and a police officer killed ..........................
 
And you cannot evade the police without repercussion , especially if you have history and are known to the police , would there be the same outcry if the tables where turned and a police officer killed ..........................
What on earth is this claptrap you’ve written?evade the police and you must be shot? Man kills police officer but nobody cares? Phuck me.
 
I’m not sure what some people fail to grasp, a young man was shot dead unarmed. I’ve seen so many posts on twitter and other forums (racist ones) defending the officer to the hilt.
 
And you cannot evade the police without repercussion , especially if you have history and are known to the police , would there be the same outcry if the tables where turned and a police officer killed ..........................
What are the dots for at the end: "killed .............."

I don't know what you mean can you fill in the blank please.
 
Forget the crime he committed for a second, no one is defending or disputing that

Statistically a black person is more likely to die in police custody. Look at the stop and search data it’s truly sickening, and when yet another black person is killed whilst unarmed the questions have to be asked if this is intuitional or not. You can probably decide for yourself based on the statistics but it’s really not been a very good few years for the met

Based on the information we have so far is it reasonable to end a car chase by aiming to kill the unarmed driver when the car was at a stop? Hundreds of similar crimes happen every day without someone ending up dead so why did they feel the need to use such force?
The frustration within Met Police must be very high when they know who has done all the crimes but they know that they will not get convicted. Don’t keep making out these people are saints and I for one have no sympathy when they are killed.
 
Forget courts and judges prisons etc just execute every suspected crook. Spark a civil war, sounds like a barrel of laughs
 
I’m not sure what some people fail to grasp, a young man was shot dead unarmed. I’ve seen so many posts on twitter and other forums (racist ones) defending the officer to the hilt.
A person was shot ,after failing to stop ,the vehicle the person was in was linked to an earlier armed incident , nothing much to grasp really , how does anyone know if the person shot had reached into their pocket etc, now if your the police man who shot him , what is he supposed to do in that split second , wait to be shot ,or shoot ?
May I suggest all the facts are known before jumping on the bandwagon, I,m not defending anyone , if he's done wrong and found guilty , I have no issue with that either, but things are never as clear cut as people like to think .
 
Some parallels
Biggest riots ever
I hope the new regime are not hoping to provoke troubles.
Maybe the replacement 20k police could have special brown shirts or is it more cyber culture war these days rather than a putsch
 
Great to see the police officer has been suspended, finally moving in the right direction. You can’t just shoot an unarmed human and get away with it. It’s murder.
No it’s not, not if ( and I mean if) they are a known criminal and known to be involved with firearms and then refuse instructions or to co-operate. it comes down to a public safety decision. Risk vs consequence.
 
The frustration within Met Police must be very high when they know who has done all the crimes but they know that they will not get convicted. Don’t keep making out these people are saints and I for one have no sympathy when they are killed.
Show me where I have said he was a saint or even defended what he did?

Point is you don’t shoot to kill someone unarmed whatever they have done, it’s not how justice is served in our society
 
Show me where I have said he was a saint or even defended what he did?

Point is you don’t shoot to kill someone unarmed whatever they have done, it’s not how justice is served in our society
So tell us how the officer knew he was unarmed ?
 
Show me where I have said he was a saint or even defended what he did?

Point is you don’t shoot to kill someone unarmed whatever they have done, it’s not how justice is served in our society
I think that's an incredibly naive comment, with respect.

The police will only open fire with the intend to kill and to justify this it must be reasonable in the circumstances.

In other words to protect life or serious injury, including the police officer themselves, or a colleague.

I'm not going to speculate on this case, for obvious reasons, but in general terms if the subject doesn't comply with the instructions given then it creates a very real risk that they will be shot, unless all of the risk can be removed, which is unlikely.

Try and put yourself in the position of an armed police officer, in an incredibly fast moving situation, maybe its dark, maybe the weather is poor, the subject isn't compliant, and you know that a split second hesitation could cost a life, including your own.

Its not a situation I would like to be in, for a whole range of different reasons and I can absolutely guarantee that they would not pull the trigger on a whim, or unless they felt it was absolutely necessary.
 
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