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Being level with Newcastle is hardly something to give credit for! Burnley have scored 10 goals all season, that is abysmal by any teams standards in any league. They'll stay up easily because the bottom 3 is so bad this year not because they are any good.
At one time Burnley couldn't buy a win, stuck in the bottom 3, losing with comments that this season they'll be gone
Catching any team was looking hard for them to draw level with Newcastle is a massive credit to the team & Dyche, scoring so few goals or not
 
At one time Burnley couldn't buy a win, stuck in the bottom 3, losing with comments that this season they'll be gone
Catching any team was looking hard for them to draw level with Newcastle is a massive credit to the team & Dyche, scoring so few goals or not
That's what I mean, if it wasn't for the bottom three being so poor this year they'd be down as 10 goals by this stage is just not acceptable. Newcastle are dreadful and will be 10 games without a win this weekend. Not having a go at you as it's just football but you claim to hate the spectacle of top level football due to it being uninteresting yet you champion Burnley who have scored 10 goals, I don't get that!
 
That's what I mean, if it wasn't for the bottom three being so poor this year they'd be down as 10 goals by this stage is just not acceptable. Newcastle are dreadful and will be 10 games without a win this weekend. Not having a go at you as it's just football but you claim to hate the spectacle of top level football due to it being uninteresting yet you champion Burnley who have scored 10 goals, I don't get that!

Name me one other season in which Burnley would be down having 19 points from 18 games?

The lack of goals isn't great, and the bottom 3 clubs are poor....but that doesn't negate the fact Burnley have amassed 19 points and are on better than 1 point per game (which is normally the standard which would keep a team up)

Doesn't matter how you get points, points are the main stat. Not goals scored, not goals conceded, not possession etc!

Fulham have scored 5 more goals than Burnley, yet are 7 points worse off...do you reckon Fulham would trade those 5 goals for 7 points?
 
Name me one other season in which Burnley would be down having 19 points from 18 games?

The lack of goals isn't great, and the bottom 3 clubs are poor....but that doesn't negate the fact Burnley have amassed 19 points and are on better than 1 point per game (which is normally the standard which would keep a team up)

Doesn't matter how you get points, points are the main stat. Not goals scored, not goals conceded, not possession etc!

Fulham have scored 5 more goals than Burnley, yet are 7 points worse off...do you reckon Fulham would trade those 5 goals for 7 points?
No idea about other seasons and how many points were required mate, I don't really pay attention to the league table but I studied it for a while last night for the first time in ages. From what I've seen on ability alone in other seasons there would not be three worse teams than Burnley is all I'm saying.
I'm a fan of football as a spectacle and to me it 100% matters how you get the points, I wouldn't bother watching Boro if they were set up completely defensively and not to lose every week, that's why I found myself doing different stuff on Saturdays during the Pulis era.
 
No idea about other seasons and how many points were required mate, I don't really pay attention to the league table but I studied it for a while last night for the first time in ages. From what I've seen on ability alone in other seasons there would not be three worse teams than Burnley is all I'm saying.
I'm a fan of football as a spectacle and to me it 100% matters how you get the points, I wouldn't bother watching Boro if they were set up completely defensively and not to lose every week, that's why I found myself doing different stuff on Saturdays during the Pulis era.
Definitely see your point.

And don't get me started on the Pulis era! No one wants to see/hear me go to town...again.

I can understand your thoughts on Burnley and their style of football, however I see it the complete other way. I actually enjoy watching how they set up because they are so effective at what they do. Especially against the big sides. Man Utd the other week found it tough and frustrating against Burnley. And with the personnel Dyche has available, it's probably the best way of picking up points to stay in the league.

Granted the football isn't great on the eye, but it's so effective and it works. And it's interesting to see different styles of football in the Premier League.

I think this is why a bigger club has never taken a punt on Dyche because of the way his Burnley team is set up and plays.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens with the new owner if he gives Dyche money to play with. He won't be the first manager who can operate on a tight budget but can't deliver the results expected when the budget is increased.
 
That's what I mean, if it wasn't for the bottom three being so poor this year they'd be down as 10 goals by this stage is just not acceptable. Newcastle are dreadful and will be 10 games without a win this weekend. Not having a go at you as it's just football but you claim to hate the spectacle of top level football due to it being uninteresting yet you champion Burnley who have scored 10 goals, I don't get that!
If it was for the bottom 3 this season & last season & the season before & before that, yea I can see where youre coming from

If Liverpool didnt get enough points last season they wouldnt have won the league

I've championed Burnley becasue they survive every season in the greed is good league without over spending, run an excellent club & are a credit to the PL who very rarely in danger come the end of the season of going down, clubs the Boro should aspire to

I dont get that we should praise the Liverpools, Man Utd's, Man City's, Chelsea's of this world who spend millions to out win each other, Leicester are the exception & not appreciate what Dyche does year in, year out, I would sooner marvel at them than any of the top clubs
 
It will be interesting to see what happens with the new owner if he gives Dyche money to play with. He won't be the first manager who can operate on a tight budget but can't deliver the results expected when the budget is increased.
You could be right Muttley & if they see the future without Dyche then IMHO, it will be the downfall of both clubs, I honestly see them as a perfect fit for each other
 
Burnley just shows you that, a well run club with the correct game plan and a decent manager can do. Good luck to them they give us hope that we could achieve the same. By the way are the flags flying at half mast on the liver building, you would think the world has collapsed.
 
In fairness I don’t think Burnley are ultra defensive. There style of play last night I enjoyed and it made for a better game. Newcastle are the worst team to watch in the premier league, just ultra defensive and loads of ***** footballers.
 
Definitely see your point.

And don't get me started on the Pulis era! No one wants to see/hear me go to town...again.

I can understand your thoughts on Burnley and their style of football, however I see it the complete other way. I actually enjoy watching how they set up because they are so effective at what they do. Especially against the big sides. Man Utd the other week found it tough and frustrating against Burnley. And with the personnel Dyche has available, it's probably the best way of picking up points to stay in the league.

Granted the football isn't great on the eye, but it's so effective and it works. And it's interesting to see different styles of football in the Premier League.

I think this is why a bigger club has never taken a punt on Dyche because of the way his Burnley team is set up and plays.
Yep agree, football is about all different playing styles, if Burnley tried to go toe to toe with Man Utd they'd have got battered, its up to teams, as Man City done when putting 5 past them when they were really struggling, to overcome Burnley & score goals, but taems aernt good enough to do this thats why his method is successful

I would be quite happy if Boro adapted his style of play if it meant we would survive in the top flight year on year instead of struggling
 
Whoever finishes ahead of Liverpool this season wins the title.

They are definitely missing Jota, Firminho is in stinking form but when your backup is Origi then what choice does Klopp have but to play him?

Whilst playing Henderson and or Fabinho in defense is necessary at the moment you can't half tell the midfield is struggling without one of them.
 
Think there’s a few factors happening with Liverpool.

It’s nearly impossible to play at that intensity for three seasons, especially in weird no fans Covid world. Remember they nearly hit 100 points in the season before last when they won the Champions League. Hard to sustain that with pretty much the same squad.

They massively miss Van Dijk because he’s probably the best centre back in the world, but also for what him missing does for the rest of the team. Like someone said, Fabinho has to then play in defence which means they lose their best midfielder; Trent has to defend more which makes him less effective, which makes Salah less effective, and also means they’re creating less because it all goes through the full backs.

Thiago is an unreal footballer and probably was supposed to change the way they play and give them that extra creativity and control in the middle, but he got injured straightaway. Jota did great as fourth option up front to give the others a break so he’s a big miss for them.

Also they play crazy high intensity football, you can’t keep that up forever. Will be a big shock if they finish outside the top 4 like, who knows.

Would be lovely to see Leicester win it, personally I’d love to see Spurs have a rea tilt just because Mourinho’s so entertaining when he’s winning but so hard to predict this season. City have been ominous and that’s them playing without a striker, Aguero’s been out for months!
 
I think the pace and intensity they play at has caught up with them tbh. They've played a huge amount of football over the last couple of years at an incredibly high standard. Just ran out of gas I think, plus VVD is a big miss
 
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