Liverpool cranking up the pressure on Everton and Pickford

I would put good money on this, although clearly it is pure conjecture, that had the outcome of Pickfords ‘tackle’ been a horrible compound fracture to Van Djik rather than an ACL injury, that nobody would be criticising Liverpool. Why? Because the ref imho would have sent Pickford off, or at the very least VAR would have, because heads would have turned at the sight of such an injury. Because the type of injury sustained was not immediately clear, visible or gory, it was probably somehow seen at the time as less of an issue than it actually was, yet it is as equally damaging in many ways to club, individual and is still potentially career threatening.
 
GazC_MFC said:
‘One the most worst and reckless tackles I’ve see’

talk about hyperbole. It was stupid and late.

wasn’t in the league of some of the other tackles across the years. There wasn’t intent

carragher nailed it
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You're probably right, I did get a bit carried away. Still a definite red card for me though.

On a separate note I do like the word hyperbole. Though it irritates the pedant in me when people pronounce it wrong.
 
It's a definite red, but you have to take the injury out of the equation. As others have said you'll see worse tackles result in no injury whatsoever. So does the nature of the tackle itself warrant a lengthier ban or is the standard 3 games appropriate?

And if you're going to start looking at potential sending offs retrospectively (and I think you should personally) then you have to be consistent and do it for all. Not just because a massive player at a big club has suffered a bad injury.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Pickford’s was aggressive and as clumsy as you’d expect a keeper trying a slide tackle to be, and Everton were playing at derby pace for the match and being aggressive but I didn’t think it was genuinely malicious. If anything just very clumsy.

Richarlison’s on Thiago at the end was worse. That for me was almost a horror tackle and he meant it, heads had gone by then.

Hate all of this “Pickford should be banned until Van Dijk recovers” nonsense that always comes up when these things happen. It’s football, it’s an extremely fast paced contact sport, injuries happen and always will and often whether a player comes out with a serious injury or not is just bad luck - Thiago walking away from Richarlison’s tackle is an example of that. You don’t get many Kevin Muscat types who actually go out to hurt people nowadays, they wouldn’t last five minutes with the pace and technical quality in the Premier League now.

It’s sad not to see a fantastic player like Van Dijk be able to play for the season, as he’s as good as it gets, and really unlucky for Liverpool, but there we are. Hope he makes a full recovery and gets back to his best and Pickford’s biggest worry should be sorting out his near post.
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Not heard anyone mention that regarding been out until Van Dijk returns, stupid idea but not surprising, were would you stop if that were the case
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Pickford’s was aggressive and as clumsy as you’d expect a keeper trying a slide tackle to be, and Everton were playing at derby pace for the match and being aggressive but I didn’t think it was genuinely malicious. If anything just very clumsy.

Richarlison’s on Thiago at the end was worse. That for me was almost a horror tackle and he meant it, heads had gone by then.

Hate all of this “Pickford should be banned until Van Dijk recovers” nonsense that always comes up when these things happen. It’s football, it’s an extremely fast paced contact sport, injuries happen and always will and often whether a player comes out with a serious injury or not is just bad luck - Thiago walking away from Richarlison’s tackle is an example of that. You don’t get many Kevin Muscat types who actually go out to hurt people nowadays, they wouldn’t last five minutes with the pace and technical quality in the Premier League now.

It’s sad not to see a fantastic player like Van Dijk be able to play for the season, as he’s as good as it gets, and really unlucky for Liverpool, but there we are. Hope he makes a full recovery and gets back to his best and Pickford’s biggest worry should be sorting out his near post.
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I actually think he's the best signing Klopp has made & even with the amount of players Liverpool, including the fire power, if it had been last season maybe it would have dented their PL challenge, though they always had VAR that helped em out 😉
 
coluka said:
Look how we used to moan about how Juninho was targeted, Robson and McClaren both were very vocal about a lack of protection from officials for our top players at times. Teams used to dish it out to stop Traore, we moaned as fans, Pulis moaned as a manager. Klopp has every right to moan. He isn’t stopping other managers and coaches doing the same. I agree sh1t happens and always will. VAR was supposed to stop most of it, it really just creates different sh1t. Klopp has every right to moan and defend as he sees fit, I expect Warnock or whoever was manager to do that for Boro. Van Dijks career as a top player has been seriously put at risk. ACL recoveries are not guaranteed as we know only too well.

I am no Liverpool fan, but on this i do side with them
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Fair enough
Must admit I don’t much go for ‘because others do it, it’s ok’
 
Pickford will not play in Everton's next game, I'd bet money on it, so their complaints and whining are just p1ssing in the wind..

If Olsen plays well, I'd be surprised to see Pickford start again any time soon.

Dijksteel was out injured for 8 months, I can't even remember who injured him.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
The point they are making is that the incident went unpunished. They don't care if he gets dropped next match.
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If Van Dijk hadn't been injured, they wouldn't even be talking about it.
It's almost universally accepted that he should have been sent off, he cannot be retroactively punished by the rules of refereeing because the incident was seen and no action was taken.
Given Pickford likely won't play in the next 3 games anyway, unless Olsen has a shocker, the constant complaining is achieving nothing.
That's that.
 
RandySavage said:
Come on Gaz, take the Liverpool hatred hat off for a second.
Pickford has clearly gone and 'done him'. What better way to get the fans back on your side and with that, a bit of confidence, then wipe out one of your rival's better players in a top of the table derby clash?
Even if that wasn't the case how he never even got booked for it astounds me. It's up there with Keane's assault on Haarland.
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up there with keanes assault. I think you need to look at both incidents again. Keane is way above Pickford.

pickford tackle would struggle to make the top 50 worse tackles in premier league history
 
BoroBen92 said:
If Van Dijk hadn't been injured, they wouldn't even be talking about it.
It's almost universally accepted that he should have been sent off, he cannot be retroactively punished by the rules of refereeing because the incident was seen and no action was taken.
Given Pickford likely won't play in the next 3 games anyway, unless Olsen has a shocker, the constant complaining is achieving nothing.
That's that.
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If the incident was seen and went unpunished then they definitely have something to complain about.
 
GazC_MFC said:
up there with keanes assault. I think you need to look at both incidents again. Keane is way above Pickford.

pickford tackle would struggle to make the top 50 worse tackles in premier league history
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Up there not the same.
 
Howson's goal attempt against Reading was given offside, had it been allowed our decent start to the season would have been even better. Shoulders were shrugged, we had to move on.

Had something similar happened to Liverpool, the pundits would have been all over it, replay after replay, VAR this, VAR that etc. There would have been a sense of outrage across the media. I dare say it would have featured on this board.🤔

Let's not worry too much about Liverpool's concerns, let's hope the player gets fit asap, perhaps if he had still been playing for Southampton it would already have been forgotten.

UtB
 
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