Liverpool and Man Utd in secret

I genuinely don't think this closed shop idea will ever work. It's not like the concept of relegation is unique to the English game. All the European league systems have it.

If they push ahead with this they're going to end up with a competition that feels a bit empty to European fans. Perhaps they can still flog it to Asian TV markets but when they get half way through a season are those tv markets going to have any interest in matches between bottom half teams?
 
It's interesting talking to fans of the 'big' clubs. In the office, there are supporters of all these clubs and they don't want to in some sort of elite league or super Euro league, playing Barca one week and PSG the next. They want the rivalry they have here, want the passion, the rough and tumble and unique quality of the league here.
 
SuperStu said:
I genuinely don't think this closed shop idea will ever work. It's not like the concept of relegation is unique to the English game. All the European league systems have it.

If they push ahead with this they're going to end up with a competition that feels a bit empty to European fans. Perhaps they can still flog it to Asian TV markets but when they get half way through a season are those tv markets going to have any interest in matches between bottom half teams?
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There would have to be a playoff format that eventually led to the 'superbowl'

Couldn't just be a straight league format without relegation as there might be no interest after 25% of the games if a team was romping it.
 
SuperStu said:
I genuinely don't think this closed shop idea will ever work. It's not like the concept of relegation is unique to the English game. All the European league systems have it.

If they push ahead with this they're going to end up with a competition that feels a bit empty to European fans. Perhaps they can still flog it to Asian TV markets but when they get half way through a season are those tv markets going to have any interest in matches between bottom half teams?
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There's a case in court at the moment regarding the EuroLeague basketball competition which depending in the outcome could blow the idea out of the water before it begins.

I don't know enough about basketball so I'll just copy the important parts of the article.

Any possible closed pan-European football league has been compared to basketball’s EuroLeague. This features 18 sides, with 11 having long-term licenses, guaranteeing their spots in perpetuity. The Union of European Leagues of Basketball (ULEB), the association of the 11 major basketball leagues in Europe, recently filed a complaint to the European Commission against the EuroLeague organisers. ULEB argues that the removal of spots for national league winners in the EuroLeague and the way media rights distribution favours the 11 clubs with franchises amounts to “anti-competitive behaviour” and the teams are acting as a cartel.

If the outcome of the case sides with ULEB, it could set a precedent that effectively means that any European Premier League could be stopped from getting off the ground.

“It has the potential to set a precedent whereby established leagues can take a competition law complaint against a breakaway,” Bailey said.

“It is somewhat unusual to have leagues taking legal action as a result of some of the restrictions on clubs being able to get into a European league. I think what we might be seeing is a reinforcement of the principles of the European sporting model, potentially come through complaints that are already in train through the European Commission. One of the key principles is promotion and relegation. This may impact on any closed-league structure being permitted in football.

“The EuroLeague granted long-term licences to each of the 11 shareholder clubs and so limited access to the league. I think you could start to see the potential resonance of the case.”

In 2018, Uefa and the EU signed a new Memorandum of Understanding. The agreement stated that the Council of Europe and Uefa recognise that the European sports model “is based on sporting and financial solidarity mechanisms” citing “open competitions with a balance between clubs and national teams” and explicitly mentioning “the principle of promotion and relegation”.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...sed-european-premier-league-could-illegal-eu/
 
It certainly wouldn’t be what their fans signed up for.

A huge and dangerous gamble unless just a replacement for CL
 
What if manure were relegated this season ?
Newcastle fans would be happy if the top 6 left the premier league and joined a super league .
They would have a chance of making top 10 then 😛
 
NYboro said:
Only because it's the Premier League that has sucked all the money out of the game.
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There wasn't much money in football before the Prem League. Don't misunderstand me - sports are far better when there's no money involved. The more money, the greater the trouble it causes.

But the Prem League attracts so much money because it involves a lot of really good players in an elite league. The football league doesn't have the same appeal. The only people interested are fans of the teams involved. There's no national or international pull.

The Prem League could say (will say) that there's no obligation on them to bail out lower the lower leagues, that their product would be better if they didn't offer a lifeline to the lower leagues, that the lower leagues should live within their means. It's hard to argue with any of that.
 
Soutra said:
There wasn't much money in football before the Prem League. Don't misunderstand me - sports are far better when there's no money involved. The more money, the greater the trouble it causes.

But the Prem League attracts so much money because it involves a lot of really good players in an elite league. The football league doesn't have the same appeal. The only people interested are fans of the teams involved. There's no national or international pull.

The Prem League could say (will say) that there's no obligation on them to bail out lower the lower leagues, that their product would be better if they didn't offer a lifeline to the lower leagues, that the lower leagues should live within their means. It's hard to argue with any of that.
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This could be fixed by getting rid of the money and talent hoarders like Utd and Liverpool and then reorganising the remaining teams into a league structure that had salary caps and actual FFP.

There would be a new 'big six' anyway unless it was tightly controlled so the new league would have to have an independent body overseeing it, this body could oversee player transfers so that agents could be banned, thus preventing enormous sums of money being hoovered out of the game.

Also we could get rid of VAR along with the greed is good parasites.

The more I think about it the more I like it.

Kick them out and let's get back to playing football.
 
NYboro said:
Only because it's the Premier League that has sucked all the money out of the game.
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Has it? The EFL have no issues attracting sponsorship with lucrative deals from Carabao and Sky Bet. The revenues generated by The Championship alone are greater than those of many top flight European leagues like in Russia, Portugal, The Netherlands and Turkey.
 
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