Lisa Cameron, SNP MP defects to Conservatives.

TeaCider said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1712380185444499953

That's a mad one, I doubt many saw that coming.

She was about to be deselected, apparently, so it's not out of nowhere.

Apparently a very religious and right wing woman, so it's probably not too surprising where she's gone.
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She is representing herself, not her constituents. I hope she is not returned at the next election, irrespective of her switch. If I was a tory, I’d move to remove her from being their candidate at the next election.
 
Labour had a comfortable majority in East Kilbride in the early 2000s and there’s every reason it will come back to Labour at the General Election.
 
Sounds like she was probably in the wrong party to start with. Not sure how you can jump from SNP to the Tories unless you never really believed what the SNP were about in the first place (which is probably the case, she no doubt played along for personal gain).
 
festa5 said:
Sounds like she was probably in the wrong party to start with. Not sure how you can jump from SNP to the Tories unless you never really believed what the SNP were about in the first place (which is probably the case, she no doubt played along for personal gain).
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There are a lot of very right wing and socially conservative people in the SNP.

47% of the party voted for Katie Forbes in the leadership election, an out and out bigot.

But they're the main party pushing for Scottish independence, so I'd guess plenty will have joined just for that, especially when momentum was on their side.

That and the fact that they were the overwhelming party of governance when plenty of current MPs and MSPs came in.

Now independence doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility in the short term, there'll be fragmentation.
 
TeaCider said:
There are a lot of very right wing and socially conservative people in the SNP.

47% of the party voted for Katie Forbes in the leadership election, an out and out bigot.

But they're the main party pushing for Scottish independence, so I'd guess plenty will have joined just for that, especially when momentum was on their side.

That and the fact that they were the overwhelming party of governance when plenty of current MPs and MSPs came in.

Now independence doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility in the short term, there'll be fragmentation.
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SNP is just Labour with Scottish independence and the forfront. Mhari Black is a proper MP.. pretty sure Labour with have one or two as well.
 
Well it's not how the constitution (or lack of it) works, is it? You elect the candidate, not the party and you get a chance to judge how they have done at the next election, if they are standing. There are defections in all directions in every Parliament without there being byelections. I also think that describing this as as, "a mad one" given that the individual describes mental health problems is a bit off.
 
Capybara said:
Well it's not how the constitution (or lack of it) works, is it? You elect the candidate, not the party and you get a chance to judge how they have done at the next election, if they are standing. There are defections in all directions in every Parliament without there being byelections. I also think that describing this as as, "a mad one" given that the individual describes mental health problems is a bit off.
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It’s not but it still doesn’t sit right with me esp one so ideologically opposed to the prev party.
 
Don’t forget the conservatives full name the conservative and unionist party. So hardly in-line with the pro independence snp mantra.
 
Capybara said:
Well it's not how the constitution (or lack of it) works, is it? You elect the candidate, not the party and you get a chance to judge how they have done at the next election, if they are standing. There are defections in all directions in every Parliament without there being byelections. I also think that describing this as as, "a mad one" given that the individual describes mental health problems is a bit off.
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I'm aware it's allowable, I'm saying I don't think it should be.

You're elected on the basis of who you stand for and what they represent, it's a betrayal of your constituents if you defect to a party with a diametrically opposite view.
Going from a party that puts independence before everything to one that literally has Unionist in its name is clearly against what her voters wanted.

It was an unintentional use of words on your last point, I just meant that it was a shock.
 
festa5 said:
Sounds like she was probably in the wrong party to start with. Not sure how you can jump from SNP to the Tories unless you never really believed what the SNP were about in the first place (which is probably the case, she no doubt played along for personal gain).
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If personal gain was her sole motive not sure why she would jump to the Tories in a constituency which has no chance of electing a Tory MP in the next or for that matter any election. Its a puzzling defection.
 
newyddion said:
SNP is just Labour with Scottish independence and the forfront. Mhari Black is a proper MP.. pretty sure Labour with have one or two as well.
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SNP are nowt like labour. SNP revoked the tution fees that labour introduced. They have a rent freeze and eviction ban. They are a left wing party. Or they were.
 
TeaCider said:
I'm aware it's allowable, I'm saying I don't think it should be.

You're elected on the basis of who you stand for and what they represent, it's a betrayal of your constituents if you defect to a party with a diametrically opposite view.
Going from a party that puts independence before everything to one that literally has Unionist in its name is clearly against what her voters wanted.

It was an unintentional use of words on your last point, I just meant that it was a shock.
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"You're elected on the basis of who you stand for and what they represent" THIS "it's a betrayal of your constituents if you defect to a party with a diametrically opposite view" NOT THIS Just to point out, it has been tested in the highest court of this country and found (when a Tory took Gordon Brown all the way to the High Court over the lack of an EU referendum IIRC) that the Party Manifestos are not worth the paper they are written on, so it has NEVER been the case (despite what anyone 'feels') that we vote for a party with 'views'. We vote for an MP to represent our constituency. Losing sight of this in the tribal nature of UK politics is a cause of the problems we find ourselves in now. If your MP represents a Party line rather than their constituents, they are not doing their constituents any good at all
 
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