More campaigning than any other politician during the referendum. If Corbyn didn't care about it then you can't say anybody cared about it.
I'd agree if you were simply pointing out he's more interested in other foreign policy stuff like peace movements, etc. But it's always just framed so ridiculously. Like you're stamping your feet "he's orrible he's orrible he's orrible".
No I don't believe it because I'm someone with an interest in this stuff and I'm capable of remembering what I've seen with my own eyes over the last 6 years. I can remember the referendum campaign, the parliamentary votes and debates, the interviews.
Someones already pointed out earlier in the thread Corbyns policy was consistent - renegotiate the deal to have a customs union. That to me is someone being accross it.
If he actually didn't care why bother with all the government defeats? Remember it was the most times an opposition has defeated the gov in parliament. Why not just abstain and let May pass whatever brexit she wanted if he wasn't bothered? That's probably what the current leader would have done, he's had the party abstain on just about everything else.
If you want to rage at a Labour figure for not caring about the referendun I'm always surprised nobody has a bad word for Alan Johnson. He was in charge of the Labour Remain campaign. Seemed to phone it in just so he could have something else to throw at Corbyn and McDonnell.
If you want to rage at someone for letting the worst kind of brexit happen then go for the Lib Dems and Change UK lot. They spent 3 years twisting on about a second vote and then turned their noses up when the chance came because they couldn't bare the personalities that would need to be involved.
To me it just comes across as being desperate to blame Corbyn for anything and everything.
And there's more sources of information than that one daft book btw
although I am starting to feel like I've already read it from our conversations on here.
Such a lot to respond to there. Not sure I have the time to give it all a proper response today, but I will try on and off.
'More campaigning than any other politician during the referendum'
Not true I'm afraid. I thought it was. I was even on fmttm in 2016/2017 complaining/defending that it wasn't the fault of Corbyn that his campaigning wasn't covered enough, but the fault of the media who were obsessed with the court intrigue aspect of the Tory infighting. They should have been focusing on the issues, understanding the truth of what Brexit meant, fact checking and holding politicians to account on their lies and misinformation. Instead, in the interest of balance, they simply presented what both sides said, then focused back on the Tory civil war. A significant number of MSM jounalists and presenters, particularly the BBC, had past (and later future) ties to the Conservatives, so it is natural, but dangerous from a bias point of view, that they would have this interest.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-really-give-122-8617013
Media coverage of the referendum focused on the drama and dynamics of the campaign, the economics of leaving the EU and immigration.
blog.lboro.ac.uk
'I'd agree if you were simply pointing out he's more interested in other foreign policy stuff like peace movements, etc. But it's always just framed so ridiculously. Like you're stamping your feet "he's orrible he's orrible he's orrible".'
Except I'm not stamping my feet saying "he's orrible he's orrible he's orrible".' Even in my post you were responding to I said 'I say all this as someone who actually likes the fella'. I've consistently said this, I've consistently been behind most of the policies his administration wanted to implement and I've repeatedly been critical, highly critical of those within and outside the Labour Party who undermined him. That suggests balance to me, which is something I don't always achieve, but I do strive for.
Can we say that about you, Stu? It seems to me a much fairer criticism that you are the one stamping your feet shouting 'don't you dare criticise Jeremy, he can do no wrong', followed by a lot of whataboutery. It is perfectly possible for several things to be true at once. Some on the Right of the Party can have behaved appallingly and traitorously, the media and establishment can have flung a load of cack at him, but that doesn't mean members of the LOTO didn't do the same, nor that Corbyn wasn't inept, out of his depth, not across stuff he was not naturally interested in or left such things up to other people to decide what he should say on things. It is time to face some logical fallacies.
Just sticking with the debates, I think we can see where you have derived your misinformation from. You bias toward Corbyn and the Left makes you susceptible.
What changed my mind that it was just the MSM and not Corbyn to blame for his lack of coverage was two things.
The first was that there was quite a lot of criticism from diverse sources within the Remain campaigns, the second was that the 2017 GE reminded me that Corbyn <PRAISE ALERT> has always been an excellent campaigner. He was great in 2017, great leading the Stop The War coalition, great on the cause of Palestinians.
Yet on the EU referendum, he was not.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's claim that the "real fight starts now" after the Brexit vote has produced a blizzard of mocking messages, but...
www.markpack.org.uk
Come on now, do you really think Corbyn would fail to attend a launch campaign for Palestine if he was heading the campaign, or take a weeks holiday in the middle? It's unheard of.
