Kieron Scott

As for the comments about our form - personally I thought it revolved more around the Huddersfield game. It was a huge game for us and the players just never turned up for it.
Preston we still had a play off chance and we played like dead rubber gsme against a side already on the beach.
 
Where is the supposed downturn, the catastrophic collapse?
I'd say it was from the close of the Jan window, where we were 6th and had 45 from 28.
We got just 70 from 46, so 25 points from the last 18.

I think January window was a long way short of Wilder's expectations and he saw the future.
The cup run was a happy distraction, but the cracks were all too clear.
Summer was a shitfest of how not to do things.

Wilder is gone now, whatever happened.
I am happy Carrick is here and even happier at how happy he seems to be here.
 
Everyone else is having a go so my view.

Wilder thinks a lot of himself, sees Boro as a stepping stone. We are doing well his stock is high. Burnley - via third parties on both sides - start to talk to Wilder and his head is turned. PL club, bigger budget, higher profile. He doesn't actually apply - like filling in standard application form off indeed - but definite mural interest.
Can't really blame him - it is impressive, and he probably fancied one of himself.

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American_mary, one of the most respected posters on here basically saying drury comments about interest on both sides is not true….hmmm
The facts are the club sacked him though and yesterday the DOF alongside the CEO made a comment that was very odd

So we can have opinions but the facts is the club did sack him.
 
The facts are the club sacked him though and yesterday the DOF alongside the CEO made a comment that was very odd

So we can have opinions but the facts is the club did sack him.
The facts are he was sacked after taking us into the bottom three when we had been expected to be challenging for promotion, half the players at the club weren't here last season so to suggest that anything related to Burnley is relevant doesn't bear scrutiny.

It's a results business and Wilder failed to deliver this season, I don't know what Wilder's situation was with Burnley all I know was that Burnley had no interest in any manager that they would have to pay any compensation for.
 
The facts are the club sacked him though and yesterday the DOF alongside the CEO made a comment that was very odd

So we can have opinions but the facts is the club did sack him.
Your the one who at the start of this suggested the comment meant that he went to talk to Burnley

I was pointing out no one knows as we don’t know the facts

Now you want to deal on facts.
 
Your the one who at the start of this suggested the comment meant that he went to talk to Burnley

I was pointing out no one knows as we don’t know the facts

Now you want to deal on facts.
No I didn’t I’ve never said that I said there was something in the Burnley rumours no one knows exactly what but I think it’s clear there was an issue.

But as I’ve said before I doubt we’ll ever know the full story until books are written etc. in years to come.
 
The facts are he was sacked after taking us into the bottom three when we had been expected to be challenging for promotion, half the players at the club weren't here last season so to suggest that anything related to Burnley is relevant doesn't bear scrutiny.

It's a results business and Wilder failed to deliver this season, I don't know what Wilder's situation was with Burnley all I know was that Burnley had no interest in any manager that they would have to pay any compensation for.
For me this alone if true blows a lot of people theories out the water that wilder has he head turned

But ultimately to remain consistent I don’t know that Burnley didn’t approach wilder. I respect your postings on hear a_m so I’m more inclined to believe your posts. More fool me if your wrong haha!
 
As has been said on this thread, the ‘downturn’ in form around the time of these Burnley links is seriously overstated and completely exaggerated.

Sheffield United 4-1 Boro
Millwall 0-0 Boro
Birmingham 0-2 Boro
Peterborough 0-4 Boro
Boro 0-1 Fulham
Boro 0-1 Hull

Burnley links happen.

Bournemouth 0-0 Boro
Boro 0-2 Huddersfield
Swansea 1-1 Boro
Boro 2-0 Cardiff
Boro 3-1 Stoke
Preston 4-1 Boro

The six-game runs are almost identical. In fact we picked up a point more in the six games AFTER the Burnley stuff than we did the six games previous.

Where is the supposed downturn, the catastrophic collapse?
Interesting, you've made me look at the match reports:

Sheffield United 4-1 Boro - Outclassed by a better side on the day
Millwall 0-0 Boro - Battling point after 3 away defeats
Birmingham 0-2 Boro - Solid performance, back in the top 6
Peterborough 0-4 Boro - Comprehensive away win against a bottom half team.
Boro 0-1 Fulham - Excellent, should have won, undone by the one moment Mitrovic got free.
Boro 0-1 Hull - Isaiah out, shuffled Tav to rwb. huffed and puffed, sucker punched.

Burnley links happen.

Bournemouth 0-0 Boro - Battling point in a tight game against a top Champo side
Boro 0-2 Huddersfield - Poor performance, can't buy a goal, well beaten

CW finally says he is 'all in' at Boro

Swansea 1-1 Boro - Swansea dominate the ball, don't do much with it. Boro lead but let it slip, after hitting woodwork 3 times.
Boro 2-0 Cardiff - Get the job done after Tav scores a 25 yarder to settle us down
Boro 3-1 Stoke - Good performance, Crooks scores twice on return from ban
Preston 4-1 Boro - Not our finest 90 minutes, but it's a 'go for broke' game

I think you're right - we could just as easily point to other causes:
- Starting Folarin/Balogun meant we struggled more for goals than we had earlier in the season.
- When we didn't score first, we tended to get sucker punched when trying to force it.
 
For Gaz s benefit and any others on the fence, you tube Simon Jordan on Chris Wilder,
This being whilst Wilder was still with us, he lays open his opinion on Wilder , informing the listener
of numerous instances of Wilders associates within the football web,( and the word he used was "indexing " ) putting him forward for managerial positions. He pointedly says Wilder was invited by Burnley to attend a midweek game, which he did. He also went for the empty Stoke seat.
Im presuming if what Jordan said was slander then Wilders people would straight away issue legal threats and demand an apology and retraction.
Plus and more importantly if Jordan knew , then so did Gibson,
This fits with all the narratives
when wilder was flying at sheff utd, he courted/applied/linked himself to other jobs - not necessarily jobs he wanted - just to get a better contract at his current employer. That's what I was told, amongst other things, by an academy coach at the club when the Burnley thing surfaced.
 
For me this alone if true blows a lot of people theories out the water that wilder has he head turned

But ultimately to remain consistent I don’t know that Burnley didn’t approach wilder. I respect your postings on hear a_m so I’m more inclined to believe your posts. More fool me if your wrong haha!

What do you actually believe Scott's comments meant? I'm curious how anyone can take what he said as anything but a dig at Wilder considering there isn't a big line of managers he has worked alongside at this club.

To me your comments seem to suggest you are more willing to believe anything someone says that re-inforces your opinion. And would prefer to ignore a pretty big leading comment from someone inside the club.
 
What do you actually believe Scott's comments meant? I'm curious how anyone can take what he said as anything but a dig at Wilder considering there isn't a big line of managers he has worked alongside at this club.
i don't know what his comments meant but they're conveniently timed when there are threads on here asking what he actually does, and how he is meant to be in charge of that golden thread but we aren't seeing the results. Either way, there are two sides to every story and "reading between the lines" doesn't do anyone any good as there is an absence of fact, but as we've seen above this is usually coupled with other "facts" like players downing tools and our "drop in form", which has been debunked above and we still had players not getting on the pitch or playing terribly under Leo, was his head turned?

Unless wilder does a piece on it we won't hear it from his side, so arguing about it is fairly pointless as no one's going to change their mind about it.

I was really enthused about Kieron Scott when he joined but I've yet to see any concrete benefits come to pass since his appointment.
 
What do you actually believe Scott's comments meant? I'm curious how anyone can take what he said as anything but a dig at Wilder considering there isn't a big line of managers he has worked alongside at this club.

To me your comments seem to suggest you are more willing to believe anything someone says that re-inforces your opinion. And would prefer to ignore a pretty big leading comment from someone inside the club.
I don’t know. Only Scott knows.

My take though would be that the comments from Scott is that there was a breakdown in relationship with the decision makers about recruitment. Wilder wasnt bought into Scott and Scott wasn’t bought into wilder.

Everyone has to agree. No agreed with wilders preferences such a Gayle, and wilder didn’t want hoppe and Forss but said yes as there was no agreement on anything else. These are the next choices Chris, if you can’t agree on these then we’ll go further down the list

I probably miles away but that’s how it feels the club operated.
 
Exactly my point all along. Chris wilder is being vilified on a comment from Scott despite no one knowing the truth
He slagged off fans for their comments regarding expectations (which he set)

He slagged off the recruitment team of which he was part of.

He slagged off the players that had brought him success last season and would need to rely on this season.

Our record breaking bad start to the season with Wilder failing to rack up an average of a point of game would have been enough to have seen him gone..

Burnley not wanting to pay compensation is not enough for that bad smell to go away.
 
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