Keir Starmer demands ban on raising energy prices

Thank god Gordon Brown had the courage to speak out this week. This wouldn’t have happened without his intervention IMO.
Then it's good that he is listening to Gordon Brown. The more that pressure is put on the government the more they might be shamed into stopping this. People's lives will be massively affected by another huge increase - so I'd hope everyone put their anti-Starmer feelings aside, and call a truce to the criticism
 
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Then it's good that he has listening to Gordon Brown. The more that pressure is put on the government the more they might be shamed into stopping this. People's lives will be massively affected by another huge increase - so I'd hope everyone put their anti-Starmer feelings aside, and call a truce to the criticism
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. It’s a good thing. It just shouldn’t have had to take Brown standing up and speaking out for it happen. The concern with Starmer is that it took Brown doing that for him to act or show some real conviction.

Hopefully Starmer gets himself on the airwaves tomorrow and drills and drills and drills his messaging home. I’ll be voting for Labour whatever happens TBH. I want Starmer to stand up and oppose and make sure we get these f*ckers out ASAP.
 
I don’t think it will be banned from increasing , but I eventually believe the government will intervene

Prices will increase in my opinion , just not as much as is being forecast
 
Starmer is my MP and some people I know live next door to him. They say he is a genuinely decent man, honest hardworking and a real family man. He took his young family on holiday for the first time in three years and get’s attacked by Tories, trying to smear him because they know he is a massive threat to them staying in power and by Lefties who can’t get over Corbyn. I am far more concerned that the actual politicians who are actually in power are useless, incompetent and cruel and on holiday during a massive crisis and that the party they belong to are choosing between a failed chancellor and a sociopath that, like her predecessor, found the keys to the dress up box.
 
get’s attacked by ... Lefties who can’t get over Corbyn.

You're either someone who sees out and out lying by politicians to gain positions of power as a problem (irrespective of whether its Boris or Starmer doing the lying) or you're not. 🤷‍♂️

The reality is he wouldn't have been voted leader if he'd been honest to Labour members about his politics. There's no point resenting socialists for expecting socialist policies in a socialist party when a leader is elected espousing socialist policies. 🤷‍♂️
 
What I was attempting to get across was i think it is unfair to criticise Starmer in this instance, for going on his hols, whilst parliament is on leave, with his young family. Personally, I would much prefer a Labour Party that was much more radical but I think the leadership don’t want to scare the horses and the Tories are, pretty much destroying themselves in public so why give their supporters in the MSM ammunition. I won’t vote for Starmer in any case but my vote in Camden doesn’t matter with him having a 40k majority but if it was closer, I would hold my nose and vote for him. Anything to get these fu..ers out.
 
Trouble is with cancelling the rise is that a great. Umber of people will have taken fixed deals to,lessen the impact of forthcoming rises, so those are then disadvantaged

it’s hard to get right. I’ve got a mate, him and his mrs both on 40k each. In process of selling their house which is band D and buying a 350k one, they’re on a 3 year fix ending october 2023 so paying £100 a month. They’ve had the 150 quid ctax rebate due to band d house, get the £400 energy bill rebate, yet they’re locked into a cheap deal insulating them from much of the crisis & taking that deal with them when they move. Like I say, hard to get this right. Other end of the scale people in expensive houses feeling the squeeze too, so you can’t just means test everything.
 
Would be very surprising if that Brown speech wasn’t seen by Starmer and co. before he made it.
Of course it was. Its a well worn path. Have someone from the party float an idea or two and see how it is received by the public. If it is received well it becomes policy, if not it is quietly dropped with no mud sticking to the party leadership.
 
On the news now, Starmer (his team I expect) has produced a costed proposal to alleviate energy price increases. In contrast we have Johnson still play acting as Prime Minister whilst actually doing nothing, a Chancellor who is silent and invisible and two would-be PMs more intent on out-nasty-ing each other than proving they are a credible leader.

Oh and the sad spectre of Corbynites who can't move on.
 
On the news now, Starmer (his team I expect) has produced a costed proposal to alleviate energy price increases. In contrast we have Johnson still play acting as Prime Minister whilst actually doing nothing, a Chancellor who is silent and invisible and two would-be PMs more intent on out-nasty-ing each other than proving they are a credible leader.

Oh and the sad spectre of Corbynites who can't move on.

Been working on it for 2 months and waited until now so we could have the latest forecasts so the plan was viable.

For those who don't like Starmer and called him Tory Lite at least we now know, on energy, where the differences are with Labour and the Tories as it stands. Labour - no more increases. Tories - no more handouts.

A bonus of Starmer's plan is it would reduce inflation by 4%, keeping it at 9% from a predicted 13%.
 
It’s welcome because it pushes this to the top of the agenda now, and the Tories can’t hide from it or ignore it. Puts real pressure on them.
For that alone, it should be applauded.
However, the devil is in the detail and there is plenty of analysis to be done by smarter peole than me to see if it’s a feasible and workable plan. I hope it is.

I’d also like to add that not every Labour voter who has a problem with Starmer is a ‘left wing Corbynite‘ and the divisive nature of sticking that label on anything that questions Starmer’s actions (or lack of) benefits nobody on either side of the party.
 
Why would other peoples bills not going up disadvantage people whos bills aren't going up?
Because some will have fixed above the current price cap but less than the October price cap. Freezing the prices where they are will mean those people are paying more than others.
 
Why would other peoples bills not going up disadvantage people whos bills aren't going up?
Because people who have locked into a fix in the last 6 months might have locked into 4-5k a year bills out of fear of bills continuing to rise over the next 12-24 months. They most likely have exit fees of £150 per fuel to get out of those deals as well. They may not have an extra £300 to get out of those deals and if svr is capped at £1900 when ofgem is forecasting costs to be much higher, unlikely to be anyone recruiting openly on the pride cap.

By helping one group you disadvantage another, although it is likely to be a smaller group.
 
Because some will have fixed above the current price cap but less than the October price cap. Freezing the prices where they are will mean those people are paying more than others.
Yes this. I am active in quite a lot of energy debt advice groups and a lot of people have taken large fixes because as long as it's in the range of that the cap is going to be you would save money and insulate against future rises. A fix in Jan may have sounded extortionate at £2800 a month but now would seem amazing. Likewise when for fast to hit £3600 in jan, there were fixes around that level or up to 4k, which again already seems like saving money Vs the £4-5k cap with no signs of it slowing down. It's tough to get right because there is such a mix of circumstances
 
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