Keir Starmer concedes Labour has lost the trust of working people

I think you could reasonably add the top two reasons together and come up with criticism of Starmer at 25%.
I suspect the remaining 75% would be the same regardless.
The third one: (Can't be trusted with the economy/poor economic record) is pure Tory propaganda isn't it, when you look at the actual data regarding the two main parties and their economic records.
 
The third one: (Can't be trusted with the economy/poor economic record) is pure Tory propaganda isn't it, when you look at the actual data regarding the two main parties and their economic records.
That's code for "they'll increase your taxes to pay for social experiments".
 
It's strange. I think Starmer comes accross much better - more intelligent, articulate and trustworthy than Boris Johnson. Obviously others see it differently to me.
When he responded to the bloke in the pub "I dont need a lecture form you"
Well so much sub text there. Because Keir - you feking do.

You are an elected representative - its your job to listen to the people who vote . But it sums it all up very well.. Its the "we know better mentality" and "you are too stupid to vote mentality"
And until that fundamental view remains prevelant thay are pointless.

How many times do you see those views pushed here by the mob - electorate are thick , stupid ill informed were hood winked. Keep believing it boys - wont be long before you get less votes than the Greens or even the monster raving loonies
 
It's strange. I think Starmer comes accross much better - more intelligent, articulate and trustworthy than Boris Johnson. Obviously others see it differently to me.
But what he does he actually stand for? This is the point. He has no vision, or at least none he makes clear in public. What would he do if he was Prime Minister? What sort of country does he want to build? Why isn't he talking about protecting people's jobs, building houses, investing in schools, hospitals and social care? Why isn't he standing up for worker's rights? If you cut through all the nonsense about anti-semitism, 'woke' this or that, metropolitan elites, whatever, it is about policies and vision. Keir Starmer appears to have neither and that is his biggest problem. Offering nothing will attract nobody.
 
We had people saying they couldn't vote for a party led by corbyn, they were only voting tory because of him.
But they are continuing to vote Tory. The problem labour have is they can't get a message to the voters , when they propose good polices the MSM find something irrelevant to negatively focus on and convince the voters labour are a liability.
In 2019 labour's manifesto was fully costed, the only one of any party.
Labour have always had a uphill battle because they are against the interests of the powerful, and they have the power to make sure the status quo remains.
I knocked on doors for corbyn but brexit and the MSM put paid to him.
Iam no fan of starmer and voted against him in the leadership race but he's earned the right to stand in a election as corbyn did.
I just can't contemplate another decade of toryism and just pray he's playing the long game.
It's a century old problem though getting the working classes to vote for a party which will benefit then rather than rule them with fear and division
 
But what he does he actually stand for? This is the point. He has no vision, or at least none he makes clear in public. What would he do if he was Prime Minister? What sort of country does he want to build? Why isn't he talking about protecting people's jobs, building houses, investing in schools, hospitals and social care? Why isn't he standing up for worker's rights? If you cut through all the nonsense about anti-semitism, 'woke' this or that, metropolitan elites, whatever, it is about policies and vision. Keir Starmer appears to have neither and that is his biggest problem. Offering nothing will attract nobody.
Why didn't he stand up to JC instead of taking a cheap shot and booting him out. The man has no class no vision a career politician. He will stand for anything that someone tells him is a vote winner.
The look on his face in parliament when JC was saying all those things he disagreed with, No balls to resign and argue his beliefs outside the shadow cabinet. But its clear now he has no beliefs.
Maybe Andy Burnham could be a ray of light but ..
 
My view is that current election results are a combination of three factors: (1) media "skew"; (2) Brexit tribalism; (3) vaccine success. Two of those are pretty structural, and the other isn't really the leadership's fault.

That said, to me Starmer articulates absolutely nothing. He's trying to be Blair, but against a Conservative leader who is much more popular than John Major was, despite being much worse for the country (see factor 1 above).

This phrasing of "working people" is starting to irritate me, mind. I know it's using the word "people" instead of "class", but it does carry a certain implication that the progressive side of the debate is sitting at home counting its trust fund, which is clearly bull****.
 
I can only admire your bravery.
As a door knocker do you think you have ever changed anyones mind ?
Wasn't about changing minds, I wouldn't be that arrogant , more encouraging those wavering and also taking about why they wouldn't, and amazingly most people are engaging regardless of their political stance.
But you sadly hear the lies repeated and taken as gospel
 
The man has no class no vision a career politician. He will stand for anything that someone tells him is a vote winner.

You are literally describing the Prime Minister here. Starmer only entered parliament in 2015 and was Director of Public Prosecutions before then.

And for how you described Starmer re: Corbyn see how Johnson did for May.

There are plenty of things to criticise, but this is just lazy, rote nonsense.
 
You are literally describing the Prime Minister here. Starmer only entered parliament in 2015 and was Director of Public Prosecutions before then.

There are plenty of things to criticise, but this is just lazy, rote nonsense.
Johnson the man who spun a coin on brexit , a ardent remainer who saw a career opportunity
 
It's strange. I think Starmer comes accross much better - more intelligent, articulate and trustworthy than Boris Johnson. Obviously others see it differently to me.
Right wing people feel intimidated by intelligent people, because the can’t win the argument (even if they think they are in their head).

People relate to Boris, ‘he’s doing his best’ ‘we’ll all make mistakes’ they probably even think they would be sleazy in his position, who knows.

adultery is not something new either. I can imagine a high percentage of people have sinned in that regard.

this is why people don’t see it as an issue they are happy with sleaze, adulatory, corruptions, gaffs.
 
It's strange. I think Starmer comes accross much better - more intelligent, articulate and trustworthy than Boris Johnson.
I disagree. Starmer looks increasingly like a rabbit caught in the headlights and a man who doesn't want to be there. It must be very draining for him constantly fighting on two fronts - keeping momentum and the rabid lefties in the party at bay whilst trying to be an effective opposition to the government.

On the other hand Brexit appears to have "fixed" the splits in the Tory party (for the time being at least) so Boris doesn't have to keep watching his back. I think people recognise that he has had the toughest term of any post war PM, with Brexit and the pandemic to deal with and have given him some slack for this. As we work through both you can see his confidence and positivity on the increase and that came through strongly against Starmers negativity.

One positive note for Labour is to remember that opposition parties don't win elections, the incumbent party lose them. Boris is more than capable of grabbing a loss from the jaws of victory if Labour are capable of looking like a credible government.
 
Right wing people feel intimidated by intelligent people, because the can’t win the argument (even if they think they are in their head).

People relate to Boris, ‘he’s doing his best’ ‘we’ll all make mistakes’ they probably even think they would be sleazy in his position, who knows.

adultery is not something new either. I can imagine a high percentage of people have sinned in that regard.

this is why people don’t see it as an issue they are happy with sleaze, adulatory, corruptions, gaffs.
I think they turn a blind eye simply because he "got brexit done" and it was labour who were blocking the will of the people.
I think its as simple as that
 
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