Just look at the support proposed for Irelands unemployed.....
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jam69
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The size of the population is irrelevant
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Tell me you don't understand how an economy works without telling me you don't understand how an economy works.
The Ruthsayer
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Probably the only Tory policy I agreed with was restricting child benefits.
I remember under Thatcher when the UK's benefit system was compared to Finland, Denmark and the Scandinavian countries the stock reply was that they has smaller populations so it was affordable. When compared to Spain, Germany and France the stock reply was that they had larger populations so it was affordable .
By the way Winker, we are not talking about generosity, just giving people what they have paid for ,that's all.
Which has contributed to more children than ever being taken into care.
Nero
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Not sure about that. I know someone who has three young kids when the policy was introduced. 17 months between the second child, who was 4 and the third who was 2. A family suddenly told they were getting nothing for child 3. It was heartless from the Tory Government and totally pointless. Austerity caused nothing but misery for the least fortunate. The whole policy was based on flawed economics.
The Ruthsayer
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Interesting. I will check that Trug. What those (including myself), who worked in organisations that advised on benefits actually saw was that it was often detrimental to the early born children as the benefits encouraged additional children. I know that sounds draconian and prescriptive, but I am talking about that which I actually experienced (albeit working only a few hours per week on a voluntary basis). From a theoretical perspective I didn't agree, but there's often an imperfect transition from theory to reality.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Probably costs lots more to look after them through the care system.
Bit like the stop the boats stuff though. It is a policy that plays to the torie's frothing at the mouth reactionary base.
Rofesleg
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Is it a like for like comparison?
As far as I can tell the €220 is only available to people who earned on average, over €300 p.w. in the previous year and have paid enough PRSI contributions. And it is paid for a maximum of 9 months.
I think it drops to less than €100 if they don't meet the criteria.
I was recently speaking to my sister in Ireland whose friend has just lost his job. They felt the lack of care he received was disgraceful. Apparently if he doesn't find a job in 9 months his payments will stop altogether as he has savings. Once he has spent them he can reapply. There were lots of other complaints about travel, health care, water costs, energy, food prices, tax.....but it was a bit of a generic rant.
The grass isn't always as green as it appears.
It do like their 'Parachute Payment' system used to ease the initial burden of losing a job.
The pension contribution for carers already exists in the UK.
As far as I can tell the €220 is only available to people who earned on average, over €300 p.w. in the previous year and have paid enough PRSI contributions. And it is paid for a maximum of 9 months.
I think it drops to less than €100 if they don't meet the criteria.
I was recently speaking to my sister in Ireland whose friend has just lost his job. They felt the lack of care he received was disgraceful. Apparently if he doesn't find a job in 9 months his payments will stop altogether as he has savings. Once he has spent them he can reapply. There were lots of other complaints about travel, health care, water costs, energy, food prices, tax.....but it was a bit of a generic rant.
The grass isn't always as green as it appears.
It do like their 'Parachute Payment' system used to ease the initial burden of losing a job.
The pension contribution for carers already exists in the UK.
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Nero
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Don’t even get me started on the brutal approach to those on incapacity benefits. An uncle of mine (passed away at 55) was retired from his Process Operator job through bad health. He had a heart condition from birth and had done well to live a relatively normal life.
Tory Austerity caused him massive stress having to justify why he wasn’t working and receiving “hand outs”. He did the awful process with a so called Decision Maker three times. I’m convinced the stress it caused took a few years off his life.
Tory Austerity caused him massive stress having to justify why he wasn’t working and receiving “hand outs”. He did the awful process with a so called Decision Maker three times. I’m convinced the stress it caused took a few years off his life.
The Ruthsayer
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My concern was the welfare of the children, not the cost.
The Ruthsayer
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No disagreement on that. My brother is disabled and quite why they expect someone suffering from a degenerative illness to improve sufficiently to undertake work is beyond me.