Jacinda Ardern - Resigns

This law absolutely does not provide abortion on demand up to birth, as claimed in that ridiculous screed posted earlier. Far from being "the world's most extreme abortion law," it is actually more restrictive than the UK abortion law. It only allows an abortion to be carried out without a doctor's consent up to 20 weeks. In the UK, it's up to 24 weeks.

As others have said, all this does basically is stop abortion being a crime punishable by law (and with a jail term of up to 14 years) in New Zealand.

Incidentally, it does require that a medical professional perform an abortion. The legislation says:
  • that it is an offence for a person who is not a health practitioner to:
  • procure, or attempt to procure an abortion for a woman; or
  • perform, or attempt to perform, an abortion on a woman.
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NZ Abortion Legislation Bill
 
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I think a couple of posters in this thread have caught a sudden bout of tall poppy syndrome and been over keen to try and find something to have a dig at NZ.

Unfortunately they've picked up on some nonsense from the extremist pro life lobby. Perhaps once again it highlights the dangers of comfirmation bias whilst reading social media.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
I think a couple of posters in this thread have caught a sudden bout of tall poppy syndrome and been over keen to try and find something to have a dig at NZ.

Unfortunately they've picked up on some nonsense from the extremist pro life lobby. Perhaps once again it highlights the dangers of comfirmation bias whilst reading social media.
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We are by no means perfect, and have all of the usual traits evident in any society, just less of it as there are less of us.
 
NZBoro1 said:
We are by no means perfect, and have all of the usual traits evident in any society, just less of it as there are less of us.
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Is it worth coming over for a cycle-touring trip to NZ?
Certainly looks it from what I`ve gathered.
Is it anything like Eire - beautiful green scenery, mountains, wind-swept beaches......?

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I have cycled in NZ Roofie. I took part in the Lake Taupo challange a few years ago. It takes place every November and it was incredible.

But generally NZ still needs to improve its cycling infrastructure. Roads can be very narrow and there are some very rough surfaces. That said it’s a country that has to be seen and by bike that would be incredibly rewarding. I would say the South Island in particular is more like Scotland than Eire.
 
r00fie1 said:
Looks like my idea of heaven - no people, just nature(y)
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it really is a fabulous place. You can walk along that beach and not see another person for an hour. You can duck off the beach and find a coffee house. Sit outside and while away the morning or jump on your bike and cruise up the coast.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
I think a couple of posters in this thread have caught a sudden bout of tall poppy syndrome and been over keen to try and find something to have a dig at NZ.

Unfortunately they've picked up on some nonsense from the extremist pro life lobby. Perhaps once again it highlights the dangers of comfirmation bias whilst reading social media.
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Well said, I think we are all guilty of this, I tend to enjoy tweets that fit my world view.

I think it would behove us to fact check tweets and sources before posting screenshots on here though.
 
The whole hare lip thing is misdirection. In the UK you can abort a baby because you don't really want it, it is a matter for personal choice, same as NZ. The same can be applied to the sex of the baby. The tweets from pro-life are baloney.

You may not agree with abortion, and that is a valid viewpoint, but to suggest it is enshrined in law that you can abort a baby because of the sex or a lip deformity is nonsense.
 
NZBoro1 said:
South Africa was something else for a lad from Skelton. Dad had had enough of British Steel after the strike and took redundancy, so we were able to pay the house off and he got a job with Highveld Steel & Vanadium in Witbank, between Joburg and Pretoria. Very different mindset, lots of poms where we were because of the steelworks. South Africans were OK but the true blue Boers were something else, and the racism was terrible. Mum couldn't stic the place and missed her family, so in the end we moved back to Skelton (luckily we had rented the house out and not sold it, so we had somewhere to stay). Problem was that we moved back in the end of 83, not great for dad (he was a planning engineer in SA) but he struggled to find work which was very tough for somebody like him. He finally got a job as a fitter and turner at Tess Components in North Skelton, before joining and agency and working all over the UK as a planning engineer again.
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And the wandering lust obviously stuck with you. How long in NZ? Going well?
 
NZBoro1 said:
Re getting here, I'd joined the RAF in 89 and by 2004 was ready to move onto something different. Had a look at Oz, (bloody massive application form) Canada (too cold) and here. My Auntie was a ten pound pom and lived in Wellington, so we decided to come over here for a months holiday, see what it was like and if we liked it, great, if not, just have a great holiday & then see from there. At the end of the holiday we didn't want to go back. So it was back to the UK for 3 years while my wife went back to work full time as a nurse to get the points. Finally moved over here in June 07 and never looked back.
I changed my work totally, had done a horticulture course in the UK before leaving so got a job at a Mitre 10 as Garden Team leader before 5 years ago moving onto a wholesale nursery and love it. Bit of outdoors, bit of indoors, and the weather is great even in Winter. Loads to do here, done a few great walks and working our way through the whole bunch (Routeburn down in Fjordland next year). Its such a great, outdoors lifestyle, and in many ways very, very similar to the UK.
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Well done me old!
 
NZBoro I love NZ, but it is a crappy flight. My sister lives in Blenhiem and I would go every couple of weeks if we had faster than light travel. For cheap outdoor stuff to do it is unbeatable
 
NZBoro1 said:
Re getting here, I'd joined the RAF in 89 and by 2004 was ready to move onto something different. Had a look at Oz, (bloody massive application form) Canada (too cold) and here. My Auntie was a ten pound pom and lived in Wellington, so we decided to come over here for a months holiday, see what it was like and if we liked it, great, if not, just have a great holiday & then see from there. At the end of the holiday we didn't want to go back. So it was back to the UK for 3 years while my wife went back to work full time as a nurse to get the points. Finally moved over here in June 07 and never looked back.
I changed my work totally, had done a horticulture course in the UK before leaving so got a job at a Mitre 10 as Garden Team leader before 5 years ago moving onto a wholesale nursery and love it. Bit of outdoors, bit of indoors, and the weather is great even in Winter. Loads to do here, done a few great walks and working our way through the whole bunch (Routeburn down in Fjordland next year). Its such a great, outdoors lifestyle, and in many ways very, very similar to the UK.
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Great story NZ. My parents were similar, couldnt settle always looking for something better. Old man was a fitter and turner too.
I was conceived in Canada but glad they returned to England to have me. You're right Canada, too bloody cold. They immigrated there in winter when my sister was only a baby
and then my Mam fell pregnant with me. Struggled finding work and relied on money sent over by their parents.
Many years later my Mam told me that she had to steal food from shops to help survive. She carried that guilt for life. Truly
Give me OZ or NZ any day.
 
redblood said:
Great story NZ. My parents were similar, couldnt settle always looking for something better. Old man was a fitter and turner too.
I was conceived in Canada but glad they returned to England to have me. You're right Canada, too bloody cold. They immigrated there in winter when my sister was only a baby
and then my Mam fell pregnant with me. Struggled finding work and relied on money sent over by their parents.
Many years later my Mam told me that she had to steal food from shops to help survive. She carried that guilt for life. Truly
Give me OZ or NZ any day.
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As a parent I've found that you always want to do the best for your children, and give them the best start in life you can. Then, like everybody else, its then up to them to b***r it up the best they can
 
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