Jacinda Ardern - NZ Prime Minister

Alvez_48

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It's an emotive, and exaggerated word for describing someone having to stay in a hotel for a fortnight. You knew that though. It's your MO to exaggerate to enforce your point.
1. it's not a fortnight
2. It's by definition incarceration

You think it's an emotive word, not me
 

SmallTown

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1. it's not a fortnight
2. It's by definition incarceration

You think it's an emotive word, not me
It is an emotive word and you know it. unless you're in the habit of exaggerating everything. Which I suspect may be the case.

How long do they stay in the hotels for? I assumed it was a fortnight as the article you linked to says exactly that.
 

indeedido

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There is no doubt that NZ's go hard and go early policy restricted the impact in their country.
We almost certainly went too late. We also have a large element of our population who simply don't like being "told what to do and what not to do".
I think Johnson has been poor on a number of occasions throughout this and have not been remotely surprised.
There's not much room left however on the Hindsight Express.

I just get irritated with this Saint Jacinda crap.
Interestingly, the combined population of Western Australia (God's state), South Australia, Queensland is 9.5m; twice the size of New Zealand. Those 3 Australian states have had a combined 19 deaths, less than NZ's 22.

Remote and relatively sparsely populated islands had more chance of dealing with this.
I'm sure NZ will get this under control with the measures taken, but I can't help thinking those measures would be ridiculed by lots in the UK if applied to themselves; just look at the outcry when people are asked to self isolate at home on returning from some countries abroad.
 

NZBoro1

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3 cheers for Jacinda now anyone with a positive test (including a false positive) gets the joy of getting taken to a quarantine facility and incarcerated.

Oh they can also take family members if they want.

It's JUST a bit of quarantine, right guys?
Not quite true Alvez, although some (websites) will have you believe differently
 

Cardiffdaffs

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I've spelled it out above what I intended to say. It is by definition incarceration because they are doing it without consent being required.

I have no problem with you agreeing with her but at least be frank and understanding of what it is she's doing.

In my opinion it's authoritarian and if you replaced new Zealand with Russia I'm sure plenty would say it was authoritarian and I would too, like I am now.
Wait a minute. Are you actually saying it’s authoritarian to tell people they must shut themselves away for 14 days if they have Covid 19? Good - that’s how it should be.
There is no doubt that NZ's go hard and go early policy restricted the impact in their country.
We almost certainly went too late. We also have a large element of our population who simply don't like being "told what to do and what not to do".
I think Johnson has been poor on a number of occasions throughout this and have not been remotely surprised.
There's not much room left however on the Hindsight Express.

I just get irritated with this Saint Jacinda crap.
Interestingly, the combined population of Western Australia (God's state), South Australia, Queensland is 9.5m; twice the size of New Zealand. Those 3 Australian states have had a combined 19 deaths, less than NZ's 22.

Remote and relatively sparsely populated islands had more chance of dealing with this.
I'm sure NZ will get this under control with the measures taken, but I can't help thinking those measures would be ridiculed by lots in the UK if applied to themselves; just look at the outcry when people are asked to self isolate at home on returning from some countries abroad.
I agree with a lot you say and those Australian figures show how well the state authorities have done but its a bit tenuous to start comparing 19 deaths with 22. Take the Rosewood situation out of the equation and NZ have only has 11 deaths and all of them were from a care home environment.

Bu the way Queensland have started to spike upwards in cases as travel restrictions were eased.
 

indeedido

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Wait a minute. Are you actually saying it’s authoritarian to tell people they must shut themselves away for 14 days if they have Covid 19? Good - that’s how it should be.

I agree with a lot you say and those Australian figures show how well the state authorities have done but its a bit tenuous to start comparing 19 deaths with 22. Take the Rosewood situation out of the equation and NZ have only has 11 deaths and all of them were from a care home environment.

Bu the way Queensland have started to spike upwards in cases as travel restrictions were eased.
I agree that as restrictions get eased, risk significantly increases.
My points were re what a society will tolerate together with geographic/demographic realities.
Victoria was always going to be the Australian centre.
 

Laughing

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Indeedio, society will tolerate a lot more if it isn't inherently broken to begin with and has a hug mistrust in it's government. I have said this before, but it is worth saying again, a good leader takes his (or her) people with them willingly. I suspect a fair bit of the attitude in the UK stems from the government.
 

1finny

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Just seen TV pictures of her arriving at her polling station with scones she had baked for the staff. Quite endearing really.
Emotional Intelligence has usually played (at best) second fiddle.
Great to see a leader who oozes it.
When you do this well you get wonderful engagement even for the toughest decisions.

Our leader talks about the risk of people not following the rules.
Reason - little engagement.
 
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