Jacinda Ardern - NZ Prime Minister

Zoophonic

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You kind of get used to the exaggerations and use of emotive language after a while. In ALvez' defence it's how the tabloid press spread news and even our own government . It's learning to ignore and filter it.
To be honest I hated the word incarcerated. These arent prisons and whilst most wont be enjoying sea views from their place of quarantine they won't be given gruel and staring at bars either.

I am hoping to travel over to see family next year and have been looking at the quarantine situation. These olaces have been on NZ government cost and depending on the luck of the draw there have been instances where returning people have been given above standard accommodation.

I will have to pay next year but at least you get a choice of quarantine accomm.
 

Zoophonic

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Thanks. Cardiff for that. I picked out these two quotes from NZ people.

There are no camps, they are actually quite nice hotels that you stay in. It's pretty good here," wrote one.
"They're quite fancy hotels, not camps. It's not new for us, they've been around for some months for all NZers returning to the country. We're still pretty chill here," added another.
 

Alvez_48

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Thanks. Cardiff for that. I picked out these two quotes from NZ people.

There are no camps, they are actually quite nice hotels that you stay in. It's pretty good here," wrote one.
"They're quite fancy hotels, not camps. It's not new for us, they've been around for some months for all NZers returning to the country. We're still pretty chill here," added another.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307234

There are camps though.. I'm not agreeing with that ukip **** but at least get your facts straight it's not 4-5* hotels for the majority of people.
 

Zoophonic

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I didn't say for the majority of people so keep you hair on They are not “camps” in the way that you're attempting to portray then either. But as you say “crack on”
 

Alvez_48

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I didn't say for the majority of people so keep you hair on They are not “camps” in the way that you're attempting to portray then either. But as you say “crack on”
Right so we've gone from 5* hotels to 'not 'camps' how I'm describing them'. Please point me to where I describe them
 

Zoophonic

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Right so we've gone from 5* hotels to 'not 'camps' how I'm describing them'. Please point me to where I describe them
Well for starters ”they are camps though” is an emotive description. And one or two quarantine hotels are 5 star and the fact that you refuse to believe it doesn’t negate that fact does it.

“They range from a 3-star backpacker-style accommodation to a 5-star luxury hotel on Auckland’s waterfront.“
 

Alvez_48

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Well for starters ”they are camps though” is an emotive description. And one or two quarantine hotels are 5 star and the fact that you refuse to believe it doesn’t negate that fact does it.

“They range from a 3-star backpacker-style accommodation to a 5-star luxury hotel on Auckland’s waterfront.“
Iiterally posted an article from the herald with a picture of one of the camps in it.
Thus 'they are camps though'. The linked article even says the people are comfortable there so I'm not saying anything about the conditions.

I'm saying it's authoritarian to take people by force who have no positive test (close family members) or possible false positive tests (70% accurate tests at best) , take them from their homes and incarcerate them until deemed fit.

Nothing else, it's you who has got offended I've not said anything incendiary.
 

Alvez_48

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Well for starters ”they are camps though” is an emotive description. And one or two quarantine hotels are 5 star and the fact that you refuse to believe it doesn’t negate that fact does it.

“They range from a 3-star backpacker-style accommodation to a 5-star luxury hotel on Auckland’s waterfront.“
Oh and also these facilities specifically aren't the isolation hotels:-

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...id19-community-cases-to-quarantine-facilities

'Quarantine facilities have more stringent security and more health staff than regular managed isolation hotels'

So you're just plain wrong.
 
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Zoophonic

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FFS now you are getting abusive. Calm down for god's sake.

So these "camps " were a description from a journalist on the Right Wing National party supporting "NZ Herald" and you were merely forwarding them on. Apologies for misinterpreting your intentions then. And by the way if you are going to continue to abuse please don't bother responding.
 

SmallTown

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Iiterally posted an article from the herald with a picture of one of the camps in it.
Thus 'they are camps though'. The linked article even says the people are comfortable there so I'm not saying anything about the conditions.

I'm saying it's authoritarian to take people by force who have no positive test (close family members) or possible false positive tests (70% accurate tests at best) , take them from their homes and incarcerate them until deemed fit.

Nothing else, it's you who has got offended I've not said anything incendiary.
You used the word "incarceration" In fact you just used it again.
 

Abel Tasman

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The paper have taken the most unflattering photo of the Jet pack Hotel in Auckland by the Airport. It isn't actually not that bad a hotel to be honest. Ive stayed there myself on route to Wellington.
 

Alvez_48

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FFS now you are getting abusive. Calm down for god's sake.

So these "camps " were a description from a journalist on the Right Wing National party supporting "NZ Herald" and you were merely forwarding them on. Apologies for misinterpreting your intentions then. And by the way if you are going to continue to abuse please don't bother responding.
You were wrong about my intentions and you were wrong about the hotels .. I'm hardly being mean calling you an @rse. It's not like you wouldn't in a friendly manner call you're mates an ****, come on now.
 

Cardiffdaffs

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You were wrong about my intentions and you were wrong about the hotels .. I'm hardly being mean calling you an @rse. It's not like you wouldn't in a friendly manner call you're mates an ****, come on now.
He may have been wrong about your intentions but I can see why he thought that way.

What do you mean by "mean" though. Etiquette on a message board says you just don't do it merely for disagreeing with another's opinion. It says that in the rules doesn't it?

When you start to trot out the dictionary definition of incarcerated you getting yourself a bit tied up. I think we all know what you were trying to say.
 

SmallTown

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Incarcerate is an accurate term
Incarcerate:

past tense: incarcerated; past participle: incarcerated
  1. imprison or confine.
    "many are incarcerated for property offences
It's an emotive, and exaggerated word for describing someone having to stay in a hotel for a fortnight. You knew that though. It's your MO to exaggerate to enforce your point.
 

Alvez_48

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He may have been wrong about your intentions but I can see why he thought that way.

What do you mean by "mean" though. Etiquette on a message board says you just don't do it merely for disagreeing with another's opinion. It says that in the rules doesn't it?

When you start to trot out the dictionary definition of incarcerated you getting yourself a bit tied up. I think we all know what you were trying to say.
I've spelled it out above what I intended to say. It is by definition incarceration because they are doing it without consent being required.

I have no problem with you agreeing with her but at least be frank and understanding of what it is she's doing.

In my opinion it's authoritarian and if you replaced new Zealand with Russia I'm sure plenty would say it was authoritarian and I would too, like I am now.
 
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