Is Tyson Fury the biggest fraud in boxing?

joeydiaz said:
🤣 Funnily enough, I can actually see this one getting over the line this time.
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I think it's either this or retirement/exhibition route for Fury. I can't see where else he goes.

I suppose the other viable option would be Joyce.

Better be quick though, Fury will be due a tune up fight soon ;)
 
B_G said:
I think it's either this or retirement/exhibition route for Fury. I can't see where else he goes.

I suppose the other viable option would be Joyce.

Better be quick though, Fury will be due a tune up fight soon ;)
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Chisora 4 here we go....
 
Redka said:
Tyson’s not stupid - him and his advisors will realise that won’t get away with a Chisora 4. I think he’ll go for Joyce or Joshua.
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Agree, he got away with that once. Public opinion has changed massively since October last year. WBC wouldn't let him away with it either. Joyce or Joshua are the most lucrative options. Although Joyce is not currently ranked by WBC so this potentially wouldn't be sanctioned.

Ruiz/Wilder would also be options that would satisfy WBC.

It really depends on what Fury's current ambitions are? The fact he hasn't made the Usyk fight would tell us that Undisputed isn't high on the agenda. If he's looking for maximum revenue Joyce/Joshua look the obvious fights even if this means he has to vacate.

He might look at big pay days that require less work, such as an Ngannou exhibition fight / WWE.

Or he may simply just retire.

Any of the above are viable options for him and it's really difficult to know where his head is at. He changes his mind more than the weather. I just hope he comes out and gives an honest picture of what his ambitions are so the heavyweight division can move on either with him or without him.
 
I see there hasn’t been any comment on the usyk shenanigans on the negotiation side.

People accuse fury fans from have bias but the anti fury brigade don’t want to about anything but the negative for fury
 
ForssAwakens said:
I see there hasn’t been any comment on the usyk shenanigans on the negotiation side.

People accuse fury fans from have bias but the anti fury brigade don’t want to about anything but the negative for fury
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What shenanigans are they?
They've been about as open as can be expected...

They made plenty of compromises including being shafted over the original purse split with the thought process that they could demand the lions share of the rematch if they won. When Fury was trying to shaft them over the rematch purse split as well, they said enough is enough.

The details of the negotiation are pretty much in the open now and it's widely accepted by pretty much everyone in the boxing community that has spoken about it, that Fury was being unreasonable. Apart from Tyson Fury, Tommy Fury and Frank Warren.

Even Fury's trainer has said he hadn't started his fight camp. He had no intention of fighting on the 29th April.
 
B_G said:
What shenanigans are they?
They've been about as open as can be expected...

They made plenty of compromises including being shafted over the original purse split with the thought process that they could demand the lions share of the rematch if they won. When Fury was trying to shaft them over the rematch purse split as well, they said enough is enough.

The details of the negotiation are pretty much in the open now and it's widely accepted by pretty much everyone in the boxing community that has spoken about it, that Fury was being unreasonable. Apart from Tyson Fury, Tommy Fury and Frank Warren.

Even Fury's trainer has said he hadn't started his fight camp. He had no intention of fighting on the 29th April.
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If you don’t know about them you can’t be that close to boxing

Yes fury was being unreasonable. But the acceptance of the 70/30 was a stunt as the wanted it replicated in usyk favour for the rematch, as one example of what happened

You also on questioning about negotiations usyk’s camp don’t want to go into etc etc
 
ForssAwakens said:
If you don’t know about them you can’t be that close to boxing

Yes fury was being unreasonable. But the acceptance of the 70/30 was a stunt as the wanted it replicated in usyk favour for the rematch, as one example of what happened

You also on questioning about negotiations usyk’s camp don’t want to go into etc etc
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I don't think that's a "shenanigan", I think its a more than reasonable request.

Accepting the 70/30 was the only way they could get the Fury fight on. It was a compromise, not a stunt. In return they wanted the same split if they won... they were happy to leave the rematch at 70/30 to Fury if they lost by the way.

Listen to the reactions from around the world from current boxers / ex boxers / promoters. They are all saying the same thing.

Usyk was in a camp away from his family for weeks while the negotiations were on, he'd made agreements in the middle east to fight out there in February, and then he'd even agreed to the ridiculous 70/30 purse split to fight in Wembley despite it being worth far less thab the middle east contract...

I can't believe even the most avid Fury fan would believe that Usyk was to blame for this fight not happening.
 
ForssAwakens said:
If you don’t know about them you can’t be that close to boxing

Yes fury was being unreasonable. But the acceptance of the 70/30 was a stunt as the wanted it replicated in usyk favour for the rematch, as one example of what happened

You also on questioning about negotiations usyk’s camp don’t want to go into etc etc
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Fury was being a moron trying it on with a 70/30 split & then Usyk called his bluff on it. Then he didn't like that Usyk would be getting a better split in a potential rematch if he had won, which in that case being the undisputed champion he should.
 
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Can't see the Joyce fight happening. Usyk and AJ are much bigger names and those fights haven't happened. We know Fury is all about the most money for the least amount of risk - so the Joyce fight doesn't make sense at any level.
 
JustTheGent said:
Can't see the Joyce fight happening. Usyk and AJ are much bigger names and those fights haven't happened. We know Fury is all about the most money for the least amount of risk - so the Joyce fight doesn't make sense at any level.
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I guess it depends on what sort of risk he perceives Joyce to pose. Probably equal risk as Joshua IMO and for less money. Joyce's style is perfect for Fury. He just keeps coming forward and would allow Fury to fight on the back foot all night and pick him off with jabs. He would have to be peak fitness though to stay with Joyce's pace for 12 rounds.
 
I’m a Fury fan, in the sense that I’ve enjoyed some of his big fights over the years and I think he is a very good boxer. Even enjoyed some of his shenanigans, and I respect his openness about his battles with mental health, drink drugs etc.
But it’s completely undeniable that he’s been an absolute grade-A tosser over this.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
I’m a Fury fan, in the sense that I’ve enjoyed some of his big fights over the years and I think he is a very good boxer. Even enjoyed some of his shenanigans, and I respect his openness about his battles with mental health, drink drugs etc.
But it’s completely undeniable that he’s been an absolute grade-A tosser over this.
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Yep, I can’t see where he goes - only a Joshua fight or maybe a fourth with wilder would possibly stop some if not all of his critics. In the same way he was using the “regardless it’s your best ever pay day line”to Usyk , it was also a good pay day for Tyson, where will he get similar money ? An exhibition fight with the wrestler or a fight with Joshua which wouldn’t happen until dec would be my guess, so it does feel he has cut his nose off to spite his face in this instance!
 
Redka said:
In the same way he was using the “regardless it’s your best ever pay day line”to Usyk , it was also a good pay day for Tyson, where will he get similar money ?
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This was also factually untrue. Usyk team have already confirmed they earned significantly more for the Joshua fight than was on the table for this fight. That will have been a dent to Fury's ego.

Redka said:
An exhibition fight with the wrestler or a fight with Joshua which wouldn’t happen until dec would be my guess
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Have you seen the interview with Joshua yesterday? He looks relaxed, and saying he's still there if Fury wants him. AJ's bargaining position has improved since September. AJ was spot on yesterday when he said Fury needs him.

Fury can't afford to enter negotiations for another big fight and have another one fall through. He needs to make something happen or walk away. For that reason alone AJ/Hearn will know they can push back a bit with Fury.
 
B_G said:
This was also factually untrue. Usyk team have already confirmed they earned significantly more for the Joshua fight than was on the table for this fight. That will have been a dent to Fury's ego.


Have you seen the interview with Joshua yesterday? He looks relaxed, and saying he's still there if Fury wants him. AJ's bargaining position has improved since September. AJ was spot on yesterday when he said Fury needs him.

Fury can't afford to enter negotiations for another big fight and have another one fall through. He needs to make something happen or walk away. For that reason alone AJ/Hearn will know they can push back a bit with Fury.
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It’s a sorry state of affairs when the only way we are likely to get these fights is in the Middle East - greed as always - fury Joshua at Wembley would be a spectacle but you know once the Saudis come knocking greed will kick in!
 
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Redka said:
It’s a sorry state of affairs when the only way we are likely to get these fights is in the Middle East - greed as always - fury Joshua at Wembley would be a spectacle but you know once the Saudis come knocking greed will kick in!
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I really hope AJ wins well Saturday. He looks like he's been humbled by the Usyk defeats and got back to work. He looks relaxed. If he has that hunger back, he could still be involved in good fights.

Joshua v Joyce has the potential to be a cracking fight as well. It's not all about Fury.

I think Joshua will get a world title again. Usyk will eventually vacate at least one belt and I feel like Joshua will be well positioned to fight for a vacant title when it happens.
 
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One thing is for sure is that Tyson doesn’t like the spotlight elsewhere - with Joshua’s fight getting attention and the fact Hearns mentioned Tyson’s name, as sure as night follows day we I’ll hear a Fury rant within the next couple of days.
 
Don't forget that Fury has a multi fight contract in which he is guaranteed X amount per fight ( ive forgotten the figure but its a lot), so in reality it really doesn't matter to him who he fights .
Don't get me wrong he has lost any respect I had for him lately though, I do wonder if the whole reason the Uysk fight fell through was due to the fact that the fight would fall outside of his contract and he would end up with far less for the fight than he would fighting anyone in his contracted fights ????
 
Bit weird people getting giddy about guessing the circus of whether a fight is on or off. I find it all tedious and just wish it was all done behind closed doors without the WWE style dramatics.

Before I get accused of being a Fury fan boy etc I hope Usyk knocks his block off if they do ever fight.

I don’t agree Fury is running scared but it’s rather boring, same as the Joshua Fury crap was.
 
It looks as though Usyk is going to be tied up with mandatories for a while unless they pay one of them to step aside.
 
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