Is Labour's poll lead a genuine sign of reelection?.

TeessideCleveland

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Thanks to the awful Tories they are seemingly 'back in the game', but are the hard right who are annoyed with Johnson etc 'dont knows' who will vote Tory ahead of Labour factored in?
The Corbynista (who will always deny being Corbynista) are all over the latest polls on social media slagging off Starmer etc - bitterness that their brand is not popular?
But the Tories - despite so many apparently being hired to push their views on social media - are not currently too vocal
Do we think the latest batch of polls represent an actual turning point in the polls - or just a blip?
 
Thanks to the awful Tories they are seemingly 'back in the game', but are the hard right who are annoyed with Johnson etc 'dont knows' who will vote Tory ahead of Labour factored in?
The Corbynista (who will always deny being Corbynista) are all over the latest polls on social media slagging off Starmer etc - bitterness that their brand is not popular?
But the Tories - despite so many apparently being hired to push their views on social media - are not currently too vocal
Do we think the latest batch of polls represent an actual turning point in the polls - or just a blip?
Who knows ?
my fear is the likes of housing development companies and the like who fund the Tories heavily in return for loosening leglisation means the Tories have the financial clout to hire the brightest and the best tech to influence the English electorate in ways which means they sleep walk a Tory government to power despite Tories stealthily decimating vital public services like nhs and education because this redeveloped Tory party is ultra right wing and believes in the small state (basic health and education, council services) so they can con the British public with the lewering promise of tax cuts….yet he Tories never admit this ultimate policy by stealth,just bit parts of it at different times designed to hoodwink the people who are vulnerable to this policy….
Sad days ahead !
 
Nope, unfortunately. Polls are pretty much meaningless; exit polls during Brexit demonstrated that, they were way off predicting the final result.
 
It was nice to see the polls as they've been the past few weeks, it's been so long since Tories have been in Govt that we've seen anything like that. But that is about as far as it goes ... encouraging, that's about it. There's hell of a lot more work for the opposition to do going forward. Despite the polls, I refuse to believe that is an accurate picture of the landscape currently. Even with the Tories losing a big by-election in a safe Tory seat by such a huge margin, there's reason to be calm and not get too excited, just yet.

Before the scandals within the party and Boris being caught out persistently breaking the rules re; Covid over the past month or so, I didn't think Starmer's opposition was doing anywhere near enough to hold this pack of clowns to account.
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The Tory polls plummeted and plummeted, perhaps still are for their party right now .. but as the Christmas break goes on, The hols pass, fewer are panicked by the Tabloids' 'Christmas is Cancelled!!' hysteria bollox ... the more people are likely to forget and who knows what is next. They'll have found something else for folk to get angry about within a couple of weeks and likely blame anyone but the Tory Govt or 'Boris'

Perhaps there'll be a tribute to our hero PM saving Christmas for us after all 🤡 🤡

'Boris' will wiggle his way out of this yet again. that his party hasn't moved to ditch him, especially after they lost that by-election by such a huge margin in what has always been a guaranteed Tory seat shows he is going nowhere yet, for a good while.

It's down to Labour to go for the jugular moving forward, they've missed open goals one after the other, and that was before 'Partygate' and the likes sent the country into a meltdown.

A few weeks ago even I thought Boris was finally done. As his Govt is still standing and really, no one seems remotely concerned about that from where I'm standing, I am still going to say Tories would win another GE if it was called tomorrow.

:ROFLMAO:
 
I think thats a little harsh, and almost certainly incorrect
That kinda sentiment re; Politicians 'all in it for themselves so I won't be voting' - it's understandable why there is so many folk who are feeling this way. But as above, It's not quite accurate. The choice we're left seems garbage, is what it is, and will be a long, long time until anything like that changes.

The incompetence and betrayal of the public over the past decade under Tory rule breeds so much apathy among the voting public -it is a winner for a Tory party currently up to it's knees in scandal after scandal. Less at the polls work in their favour obviously.

But surely, Labour represents the lesser of the two evils if you want to look at it that way. Certainly, they're now going to have to convince the real working class, But if people would rather not vote come the next big one, then that's their choice entirely.

It is a shame though, that so many votes will be wasted because of this. Part of the job remaining for Labour is to turn the heads of these would-be voters. Encourage them to reconsider. You're angry at Boris Johnson and we have a solution... A large section will be from the 'Brexit' era and ideas have to be pitched, something that makes them feel included and build their trust, Convince us that politics doesn't have to be 'red vs blue' at war' rendering it next to impossible to get anything done collaboratively over both sides the aisle.

Easier said than done. Starner and co. still have their work cut out (understatement

But yeah, the Tories are in Govt as we speak,,, most of their MPs certainly are 'in it for themselves ... but there are some damn good MPs in that place still who work hard for their constituents, and are not just there on a stepping stone to line their pockets. That is not just saying it's MPs in parties on the opposition side of the house. There are also many very decent, Conservative MPs who are passionate about the country succeeding and want their constituents' lives to improve.

God, in times like this I miss Mo Mowlam. Shows show far things have fallen when we have the likes of Jacob Young there currently. Honestly do not understand how that little doyle got into politics. Soon as he is out, I can stop having to catch his face on the backbenches at PMQs looking at Boris like he's completely in love with him, Other than that, I am not entirely sure what else he has done for his constituents? Get a haircut in Redcar and then upload a photo of himself while getting it done, making some joke about 'Tory Cuts' ??? Helpful, I'm sure that helped endear him to families who have been on their knees, particularly the past two years or so. Many there were left deeply hurt during Ian Duncan Smith's welfare reform program, which left many families, working people queueing in foodbanks, and more - Which young Jake found appropriate to use as inspiration to joke about on his social media

I am hoping he is voted out by a huge majority come to the next GE. Not one to judge, I try my best, but soon as I saw him in the local rag when he'd won the seat in a bit of an 'about me ... I knew the world was starting to end. I expressed my disappointment on Twitter and he blocked me within seconds. Ha ha ha
 
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100% with you on that wretch Jacob Young but (and I know I’m in the minority on here) as a Labour voter all my life I will never ever vote for any party that endorsed and in some cases embraced lockdowns. I see them as the biggest crime ever committed against the people of this country
 
A Labour election win with a w@nker like Starmer in charge would change nothing. We need a proper alternative. And we don't have one right now. Depressing stuff.

Hahaha….so if Starmer is a vvanker in your ‘eyes’ what’s Messrs Johnson ?
A waste of a human spirit should be your answer

TBF Who gives a flying fook who wins. They are all in it for themselves and nobody else and you would be a fool to think otherwise. Once a politician, always a shoite house.
100% with you on that wretch Jacob Young but (and I know I’m in the minority on here) as a Labour voter all my life I will never ever vote for any party that endorsed and in some cases embraced lockdowns. I see them as the biggest crime ever committed against the people of this country

You complete idiot
 
I find the OP to be rather provocative.
"The Corbynista (who will always deny being Corbynista) are all over the latest polls on social media slagging off Starmer etc - bitterness that their brand is not popular?"
So why Corbynista? The suffix ista, denotes an advocate of a particular belief or movement so going out on social media to compare and contrast Starmer's performance with that of Corbyn is hardly denial. Strange too that your first and only conclusion is bitterness when the truth is that anyone, anyone should be streets ahead of this, the most corrupt, lying, cruel, useless bunch of profiteers in the history of UK politics.
 
A Labour election win with a w@nker like Starmer in charge would change nothing. We need a proper alternative. And we don't have one right now. Depressing stuff.
I like Starmer, he may not be the most colourful politician, but I feel like he's a safe pair of hands, trustworthy and intelligent.

I'm genuinely interested as to why you don't think he's not a better option than BJ?
 
I like Starmer, he may not be the most colourful politician, but I feel like he's a safe pair of hands, trustworthy and intelligent.

I'm genuinely interested as to why you don't think he's not a better option than BJ?
Interesting that you use the adjective trustworthy in your description of Starmer. He has blatantly ditched all the promises he made to win the leadership race; a race where he also repeatedly refused to reveal his biggest donors until after the result was announced. The very opposite of trustworthy in my book.
 
They have had countless chances to shoot fish in a barrel yet barely lay a glove on the government most times , most of Boris;s problems are self inflicted & they will eradicate this as they do for the sake of the party , with or without Boris !!!

Starmer has had countless gifts , yet fails to grasp the nettle & people see him voting with the government & wonder why he does it constantly ?
 
They have had countless chances to shoot fish in a barrel yet barely lay a glove on the government most times , most of Boris;s problems are self inflicted & they will eradicate this as they do for the sake of the party , with or without Boris !!!

Starmer has had countless gifts , yet fails to grasp the nettle & people see him voting with the government & wonder why he does it constantly ?
I think you must have a problem understanding the concept of Parliament. Why would an Opposition Party vote against measures that protect the nation?
 
Interesting that you use the adjective trustworthy in your description of Starmer. He has blatantly ditched all the promises he made to win the leadership race; a race where he also repeatedly refused to reveal his biggest donors until after the result was announced. The very opposite of trustworthy in my book.
I use the measure most appropriately applied to the setting. Politics, parties and politicians, have always shaped their stance to gain or win power and I don't expect it will be any different.

But do I trust him to act in the best interests of the people he serves? Yes, I do. Do I trust him to be tough on sleaze and corruption? Yes, I do.

On the donor issue, Blair courted and won the support of Murdoch because he (and his people) knew that it was necessary to win the election. It's an uncomfortable truth of course, and as much as we'd all like to, we don't live in political utopia and pragmatism is probably the most important ingredient to success.
 
Chances are that Johnson won't be leading the Conservatives into the next election. So I wouldn't be taking any polls, especially preferred prime minister, seriously at the moment.

Like in 2019, the new leader will likely distance themselves from the previous prime minister and also from the previous government. This is a hard strategy to fight against, especially with the added difficulty of landing strong blows against economic difficulties caused by the pandemic. It really depends on who the next Conservative leader is and how good he is at distancing himself from any attacks on the previous Conservative governments record.
 
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