Is it possible you were a little hasty in sacking Wilder?

Brian Marwood

Brian Marwood

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Man Utd stuck with Alex Ferguson way back when as he tried to get the club back on track but struggled at first. More recently Arteta was under severe pressure last season but now this season looks a bit more rosy for them.

Should you have given him longer to turn things around?
 
Don't thinks so, as its seems to be about more than results on the pitch, as bad as they have been. Loss of trust between Wilder/Gibson and Wilder and players made his position untenable. Not sure sir Alex ever lost the dressing room in his early days at Utd.
 
The old 'Alex Ferguson took a while to turn it around' guff that gets trotted out every time a failing manager falls on his @rse after a short while :rolleyes:

Wilder had clearly not endeared himself to the club, nor probably the players, by courting Burnley and then Bournemouth - was Sir Alex whoring himself around Everton and Southampton before he won all those titles?
 
I think his position had sadly become untenable with the fans, and possibly the club.

I'd have given him till the World Cup myself, despite losing my head when drunk on Saturday and saying he needed to go immediately, but I can understand why the club acted.

He was starting to throw players under the bus more and more.
 
I don’t think it was just bad results mate.

Btw this Alex Ferguson thing is trotted out all the time and it’s largely a myth hed proven himself at Aberdeen way before then.

Holding on to a manager isn’t a guarantee it will work either look at Chelsea win more than man u in recent times
 
Sounds like doors were already being slammed shut and, on reflection, Chris Wilder`s remarks [last Friday] were an indication of where he was heading.....
 
Yep. I think results were probably the least of the issues.

Obviously if we were top 6 then im sure he'd still be in post. But equally if Gibson was convinced he was fully committed and the relationship was strong i think he'd still be here regardless.

the issues go deeper than Wilder. They go deeper than recruitment too. The leadership at the club is poor, it seems rare for everyone to be on the same page and pulling in the same direction.

I'm sure Wilder isn't blameless, but there does seem to be a theme of promises made to managers being broken. The only constants are Gibson and Bausor. Bausor's job never comes into question so you can only assume whatever he's doing Gibson is happy with it.
 
festa5 said:
Yep. I think results were probably the least of the issues.

Obviously if we were top 6 then im sure he'd still be in post. But equally if Gibson was convinced he was fully committed and the relationship was strong i think he'd still be here regardless.

the issues go deeper than Wilder. They go deeper than recruitment too. The leadership at the club is poor, it seems rare for everyone to be on the same page and pulling in the same direction.

I'm sure Wilder isn't blameless, but there does seem to be a theme of promises made to managers being broken. The only constants are Gibson and Bausor. Bausor's job never comes into question so you can only assume whatever he's doing Gibson is happy with it.
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Agree, we've already seen once before that Gibson will put up with a lot providing results are there (Karanka walking out for instance!)

I guess none of us will ever know how bad it was behind the scenes but I would definitely have given him more time. He's about as good a manager as we can get at the moment and one whom will have a long and successful career in the game in my opinion.
 
changingman said:
Agree, we've already seen once before that Gibson will put up with a lot providing results are there (Karanka walking out for instance!)

I guess none of us will ever know how bad it was behind the scenes but I would definitely have given him more time. He's about as good a manager as we can get at the moment and one whom will have a long and successful career in the game in my opinion.
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That may well turn out to be the case but he may well have made the mistake of thinking he could use the job to further his career whilst being in the pay of the Club. If that was the case a pretty crappy thing to do so early in your contract.
 
Brian Marwood said:
Man Utd stuck with Alex Ferguson way back when as he tried to get the club back on track but struggled at first. More recently Arteta was under severe pressure last season but now this season looks a bit more rosy for them.

Should you have given him longer to turn things around?
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Brian they stuck with him because it was man utd and he was not looking for other jobs...he was desperate to stay at the biggest club in European football back then
Not the same here.....
Wilder would have taken(and I hear did apply for ) the job managing greggs in the boro if the staff had abilieeeeeeeeh and it raised his profile
 
Isn't that what any manager will do though? We are a "stepping stone" for most players or managers. If they perform well with us we would expect them to move on.

I admit, there's a difference between that being "unsaid" and actively courting the attention of other clubs but we can't really be surprised.

I would think he'll be in EPL before we will but that's just the way it goes.
 
To answer this question we need to understand the root of the problems. We've seen enough managers come and go now to know it is not just the manager - something else causes problems behind the scenes, be it recruitment, chairman meddling, club culture, we don't know. But we've had several experienced manages now and they have all struggled. Questions need to be asked why.

I think Wilder is an alright manager, but despite people making 20 threads about it, we aren't privy to what went on and why it went on. Did wilder court Burnley? Seems like it from comments but we don't know. But we also don't know why - was he sick of having players put on him? Did someone else have too much power? We don't know.

Think we will be here again in 6 months slating the next bloke on our way to become Watford
 
Lots to do with not immediately denying any interest in Burnley and Bournemouth jobs

Silence was deafening, and led to people behind the scenes 'digging' into the situations.

Team selection on Saturday was his 'please sack me' team.
 
Ferguson was a very rare exception 30+ years ago. In the overwhelming majority of cases once things are going badly Managers very rarely are able to turn it around.
 
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