Intermittent Fasting/Weight Loss

Good work Roofie, but are you having enough calories? How many calories in the main meal?

The gels must only be 100 each, and the whey protein what, 300? So even if your main meal is 1000, then you're only on 1500, which is good on it's own, without the exercise.

Then on your 20m HIT that's probably 300 calories to what 1500 on a 2hr enduro? The evening ride what 400-800? You're probably maybe running on a net -400 to +800 calories a day, which is too low, is it not? Can't the body semi shut down if the cals are too low, so it just ends up trying to store anything and everything it gets?

Just sticking to 1500 cals should have you losing 1kg a week, or about 9kg in that time, but you will have put muscle on too no doubt with the cycling.

GCN is a great channel, just had my new bike delivered today so looking forward to getting out on that. Then I'll be getting a Wahoo turbo trainer, to get Zwift going for the crappy days.
Which bike have you bought Wev?
Is that as well as the Wahoo?

I bought a TacX Flux S - electromagnetic trainer just before xmas. Cost about 900 GBPs.
I`ve bought the conversion kit, so the Roubaix is attached to the trainer.
At the moment I`m pushing approx 750 calories over two hours - good interval training plus hill work.
I work on endurance - with some sprints, but find it tough to sustain them over any distance.
On the shorter sessions under one hour im burning equivalent of 430+ calories hr.

Its technique and focus seems to work best.
The old "count the trees" as you go.....

84.1 kg today
Breached below 84 at 83.4 yesterday - after 2 hrs, so must have been moisture.
But the weight is on a downward trajectory which includes replacing burnt fat with muscle.

The next 4 kg is going to be the toughest.

Let us know how you are getting on.(y)
 
Which bike have you bought Wev?
Is that as well as the Wahoo?

I bought a TacX Flux S - electromagnetic trainer just before xmas. Cost about 900 GBPs.
I`ve bought the conversion kit, so the Roubaix is attached to the trainer.
At the moment I`m pushing approx 750 calories over two hours - good interval training plus hill work.
I work on endurance - with some sprints, but find it tough to sustain them over any distance.
On the shorter sessions under one hour im burning equivalent of 430+ calories hr.

Its technique and focus seems to work best.
The old "count the trees" as you go.....

84.1 kg today
Breached below 84 at 83.4 yesterday - after 2 hrs, so must have been moisture.
But the weight is on a downward trajectory which includes replacing burnt fat with muscle.

The next 4 kg is going to be the toughest.

Let us know how you are getting on.(y)
Do you run roofie?
 
Do you run roofie?
Some fat Para jumped on my left ankle in a footi match c1993 - breaking 8 small bones.
Since then I have done a few runs like the Teesside 10K and GNR.
I find I get shin splints quickly - I will push myself, but my **** prefers support of a saddle, so I put the pressure elsewhere to drive me forward.
Did the 10k last year [I like the bright red Boro 10k top] but it took me over an hour!
I didnt stop though.
Even Rob beat me!
So no, Im not really a runner.
 
Got any good suggestions to boost protein intake? other than the obvious e.g. powders, shakes etc - it's an expensive gig going down that route I feel.
Protein powders are a very inexpensive way of getting your protein in - as long as you pick the right brand. You can't go wrong with myprotein.

It's about 50p for 50g protein. Pocket money comparatively to a chicken breast.
 
Protein powders are a very inexpensive way of getting your protein in - as long as you pick the right brand. You can't go wrong with myprotein.

It's about 50p for 50g protein. Pocket money comparatively to a chicken breast.
It's more taste for me mate I hate the shakes and the bars
 
Some fat Para jumped on my left ankle in a footi match c1993 - breaking 8 small bones.
Since then I have done a few runs like the Teesside 10K and GNR.
I find I get shin splints quickly - I will push myself, but my **** prefers support of a saddle, so I put the pressure elsewhere to drive me forward.
Did the 10k last year [I like the bright red Boro 10k top] but it took me over an hour!
I didnt stop though.
Even Rob beat me!
So no, Im not really a runner.
Strong that mate, I love a good run never done a Boro 10k I might have to enter
 
I'm not a massive fan either mate, more because I did natural bodybuilding for ages. So I had about 4 billion of them.

We put a couple of scoops in oats for breakfast.
I'll give that a try, I usually do peanut butter and blueberrys in my oats lovely stuff
 
Which bike have you bought Wev?
Is that as well as the Wahoo?

I bought a TacX Flux S - electromagnetic trainer just before xmas. Cost about 900 GBPs.
I`ve bought the conversion kit, so the Roubaix is attached to the trainer.
At the moment I`m pushing approx 750 calories over two hours - good interval training plus hill work.
I work on endurance - with some sprints, but find it tough to sustain them over any distance.
On the shorter sessions under one hour im burning equivalent of 430+ calories hr.

Its technique and focus seems to work best.
The old "count the trees" as you go.....

84.1 kg today
Breached below 84 at 83.4 yesterday - after 2 hrs, so must have been moisture.
But the weight is on a downward trajectory which includes replacing burnt fat with muscle.

The next 4 kg is going to be the toughest.

Let us know how you are getting on.(y)

Bought a 2018 Felt VR3 from Merlin, I thought it was a bargain at Ā£1,500 as it was nearly 3k when it came out and not much has changed in that time.
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/a24665168/felt-vr3-review/
Not sure how the 48/32 crank is going to work out, probably quite well as I've had some time off cycling, but can always change that in the future if need be.

Probably going to get the Wahoo Kickr and attach the Felt to that in winter, but I've never really used on of these. They look good though.
https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-trainers/wahoo-kickr-powertrainer

I've heard of the TacX, but I just got the Wahoo as I bought an Elemnt Bolt plus the cadence and speed sensors, so hopefully it should all tie together nicely, or as nice as possible.

Haha, you're beating me by 1kg :) Well done (y)

Well, by playing golf and watchign what I eat, I've been sticking to 1500 cals per day average, which also includes a weekend blow out to keep sane. I've gone from 89 to 85 in 4 weeks. I reckon I've probably shifted 6kg of Fat and added a couple of kg of muscle.

This is myfitnesspal graph for like the last 8.5 years :LOL:
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I was getting lower and lower each year but injured a nerve in my knee in 2015 which stopped me playing football and some other sports, which has made it miles harder than it used to be. It seemed ok by last summer but then I had another flare up, but it all seems fixed now, which is great. A 5 year injury sucks.
 
Bought a 2018 Felt VR3 from Merlin, I thought it was a bargain at Ā£1,500 as it was nearly 3k when it came out and not much has changed in that time.
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/a24665168/felt-vr3-review/
Not sure how the 48/32 crank is going to work out, probably quite well as I've had some time off cycling, but can always change that in the future if need be.

Probably going to get the Wahoo Kickr and attach the Felt to that in winter, but I've never really used on of these. They look good though.
https://uk.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-trainers/wahoo-kickr-powertrainer

I've heard of the TacX, but I just got the Wahoo as I bought an Elemnt Bolt plus the cadence and speed sensors, so hopefully it should all tie together nicely, or as nice as possible.

Haha, you're beating me by 1kg :) Well done (y)

Well, by playing golf and watchign what I eat, I've been sticking to 1500 cals per day average, which also includes a weekend blow out to keep sane. I've gone from 89 to 85 in 4 weeks. I reckon I've probably shifted 6kg of Fat and added a couple of kg of muscle.

This is myfitnesspal graph for like the last 8.5 years :LOL:
View attachment 3901
I was getting lower and lower each year but injured a nerve in my knee in 2015 which stopped me playing football and some other sports, which has made it miles harder than it used to be. It seemed ok by last summer but then I had another flare up, but it all seems fixed now, which is great. A 5 year injury sucks.
Does the fitness graph reflect Boro`s achievments over the last 5 years ? (!).
I dont understand how much muscle weight replaces fat over a period, but I do understand it varies with age /height / etc.
Hips, knees, ankles take a pounding in sports which eventually lead me to the bike. Especially because you can increase core strength and fitness by resting your body on your "sit Bones".
Those Felt Bikes are excellent machines - yours is a good spec.
The Wahoo is the dogs - though I prefer to attach mine to the TacX - it has similar facilities - blue tooth, etc. Attaches remote to iphone / fit bit / heart monitor / GPS etc. You can set a gradient on the machine to add to cadence, etc [I dont understand everything it can do!].
I find road training benefits from indoor training.
Lets see how it goes,
Hovering around 83 - 84 kg at the moment.
 
It's more taste for me mate I hate the shakes and the bars

Just try different flavours until you get one you like. I tend to like the vanilla or banana from myprotein, but I've tried our lasses chocolate one, and it;s nice. I've got some salted caramel unopened.

The shakes are hit and miss with me, most days I can go from having 2 scoops just with water, to 2 scoops with skimmed milk and the if I'm really not feeling it I have 1 heaped scoop with a banana, ice and almond milk. The latter is really enjoyable, but 130 extra calories.
 
Does the fitness graph reflect Boro`s achievments over the last 5 years ? (!).
I dont understand how much muscle weight replaces fat over a period, but I do understand it varies with age /height / etc.
Hips, knees, ankles take a pounding in sports which eventually lead me to the bike. Especially because you can increase core strength and fitness by resting your body on your "sit Bones".
Those Felt Bikes are excellent machines - yours is a good spec.
The Wahoo is the dogs - though I prefer to attach mine to the TacX - it has similar facilities - blue tooth, etc. Attaches remote to iphone / fit bit / heart monitor / GPS etc. You can set a gradient on the machine to add to cadence, etc [I dont understand everything it can do!].
I find road training benefits from indoor training.
Lets see how it goes,
Hovering around 83 - 84 kg at the moment.

Haha, yeah there was a bit of a trend to the graph before injury, and after injury the trend just changed to upwards :oops:
No idea how much muscle replaces fat, but for me it must normally be quite a lot as I train/ exercise when dieting. I've had it before when training in the gym and doing cardio for a couple of months where my waist went from 36 to 32, arms got bigger and legs thinner, but my weight never really moved.
I reckon that's the number one reason why people fail/ quit when going to the gym in Jan/ Feb, especially women. They just get so fixated on weight, rather than measurements. They will look at the scales as not moved and see it as not working, despite going form a size 14 to size 10. Most guys basically go by how tight the belt is, if it's getting looser, it's working.

1kg of fat is about about 7500 calories, so if you know roughly what you burn (like using health app on apple watch) and you know your intake (this will only be +/-10% accurate, as labels are only about 10% accurate), then you can roughly work out how much fat has probably gone, then if your weight is higher than the expected loss, it's possibly increased muscle. That's a very crude way, but the real way of working it out is no doubt far more complicated.

Yeah, the turbo trainers look good and the wahoo gets great reviews. I've seen some on GCN using it with Zwift, it looks good, and the gradient addon looks good too. Apparently I'm gonna need a fan! The indoor training will certainly help, but you just have to remember there is still an outside. One of my old mates only ever posts indoor rides on strava, I don't think he ever goes out :rolleyes:
 
Haha, yeah there was a bit of a trend to the graph before injury, and after injury the trend just changed to upwards :oops:
No idea how much muscle replaces fat, but for me it must normally be quite a lot as I train/ exercise when dieting. I've had it before when training in the gym and doing cardio for a couple of months where my waist went from 36 to 32, arms got bigger and legs thinner, but my weight never really moved.
I reckon that's the number one reason why people fail/ quit when going to the gym in Jan/ Feb, especially women. They just get so fixated on weight, rather than measurements. They will look at the scales as not moved and see it as not working, despite going form a size 14 to size 10. Most guys basically go by how tight the belt is, if it's getting looser, it's working.

1kg of fat is about about 7500 calories, so if you know roughly what you burn (like using health app on apple watch) and you know your intake (this will only be +/-10% accurate, as labels are only about 10% accurate), then you can roughly work out how much fat has probably gone, then if your weight is higher than the expected loss, it's possibly increased muscle. That's a very crude way, but the real way of working it out is no doubt far more complicated.

Yeah, the turbo trainers look good and the wahoo gets great reviews. I've seen some on GCN using it with Zwift, it looks good, and the gradient addon looks good too. Apparently I'm gonna need a fan! The indoor training will certainly help, but you just have to remember there is still an outside. One of my old mates only ever posts indoor rides on strava, I don't think he ever goes out :rolleyes:
I`ve been training without the fan, untill yesterday, when the room temperature had risen to 32 degrees + increased relative humidity!
From GCN they say that increase in core temperature leads to fat burn - upto an hour after exercise has stopped.
84.1 kg today after a good 60 min HIT.

Certainly the strides and shirts feel baggy and Im pleased with that.
The next challenge will be to sustain the diet and exercise regime.
I havent drunk alcohol for 8 years, so thats not a problem.
I`ve noticed that Im replacing snacks with fresh fruit and have had to chuck half a loaf of bread away today.

This getting fit lark is becoming infectious.
 
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