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The thing I like is the low key mockery of people following the mainstream narrative by people completely unaware that they are following a narrative themselves.
I know, it's hilarious :ROFLMAO:

I would love to see a full comparison between those that are:
1) For pro-active lockdowns/ majority science/ modelling etc
2) Against lockdowns (of any kind)/ majority science/ modelling etc

Just to see age/ sex/ IQ/ level of education/ average earnings/ type of job etc
 
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I know, it's hilarious :ROFLMAO:

I would love to see a full comparison between those that are:
1) For pro-active lockdowns/ majority science/ modelling etc
2) Against lockdowns (of any kind)/ majority science/ modelling etc

Just to see age/ sex/ IQ/ level of education/ average earnings etc
Me too... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't show what you think it would.
 
You missed a few points....
1. research for the AZ vaccine was almost wholly public funded.
2. it's not just about this particular vaccine (which they may not be making money by selling) but the vaccine technology itself which they will apply to other diseases and will inevitably make money on
3. Your option B - no idea what this is.
1) Aye, I know, I thought about 50% came from UK gov, but it's like 40% (40m), best investment we ever made
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2) Do you think that's a bad thing? mRNA (for Pfizer/ Moderna etc) will do a lot of good for the world, in so many other ways it's unimaginable, same as viral vector.
3) (Option B) That's waht you've been banging on about for half the thread
 
1) I'm not going to split hairs but I'm pretty sure that "overseas govts", "charity" etc. were not AZs money either.
2) so they'll make money out of this technology whether they make money out of this vaccine or not
3) Yes, I figured. Still makes no sense.
 
I love everyman solutions to things. I suppose they could invent a time machine. Give people several years training to become a medical professional. Then send them back in time to when covid started. Hell they could use it to make sure they have proper equipment to! Damn pen pushers!

Medical professionals decide who gets priority over treatment. Isn't this obvious? They always do and always have. If you turn up to a and e with a cut finger you're not going to get in ahead of someone having a heart attack.
I seem to remember the government saying that private hospitals would be called into action to look after patients. Guess that was another lie.
 
1) I'm not going to split hairs but I'm pretty sure that "overseas govts", "charity" etc. were not AZs money either.
2) so they'll make money out of this technology whether they make money out of this vaccine or not
3) Yes, I figured. Still makes no sense.
1 - Couldn't care less, it's a good deal to get the vaccine at "cost" or as close to it as possible
2 - Yes, a bit, why not? Everything you buy has somebody making money, most of it you probably don't even need. This is keeping people alive, and ensuring the NHS does not get battered, which then means we can keep the economy more "open", so people don't get hit in the pocket (as much).
Them making marginal money, means we have a solution, would you rather we didn't have a solution? Do you work for free, or for cost?
3 - Ah, so you did know? Make your mind up. Anyway, makes sense to me, and those who support the vaccines and the WHO, EMA, USMA, NHS etc.

Still waiting for you and the IVM lot to get this funding for a large scale, reliable trial? Should be easy if it's so good? Go on dragons den?
 
I seem to remember the government saying that private hospitals would be called into action to look after patients. Guess that was another lie.
Probably, albeit they would struggle with the legalities of it, with it being a private company, which had been taking money off people who it was currently treating (not with covid). Of course, they could only be used if the NHS was overwhelmed, and nobody wanted that (albeit some wanted actions which would have led to that).

Same way they built the Nightingales as a publicity stunt, to appease the Tories and Brexit lot who had just voted them in. Clearly with no nurses to staff them, because Tories and Brexit don't like foreign workers.
 
I know this wasn't an Ivermectin thread, but that's what a lot of it was about, but has anyone seen this?

Yep, it’s ***** like this that makes it completely understandable that people are wary of this stuff being pushed by right wing groups, onto the social media crowd, for them to run with. It’s a calculated and deliberate move.

I still hope ivermectin comes good (because why wouldn’t I want a treatment to be found) and thankfully the Oxford trial will hopefully shed some light on its usefulness, or otherwise.

The guardian also wrote it up a few days ago. This bit made me chuckle -

‘A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence, was among the first to identify serious concerns about the paper

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Yep, it’s ***** like this that makes it completely understandable that people are wary of this stuff being pushed by right wing groups, onto the social media crowd, for them to run with. It’s a calculated and deliberate move.

I still hope ivermectin comes good (because why wouldn’t I want a treatment to be found) and thankfully the Oxford trial will hopefully shed some light on its usefulness, or otherwise.

The guardian also wrote it up a few days ago. This bit made me chuckle -

‘A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence, was among the first to identify serious concerns about the paper

a.medical.student.


Yeah, I really hope it works, everything helps, but I don't get why people were pushing it, with little evidence (against WHO and EMA advice etc), yet ignoring the evidence for vaccines, and other safety/ control measures, it's strange.

Hopefully, the Oxford trial can finally give this some respectable, large scale, controlled, backing, or just put it on the pile with HCQ.

I'm starting to think there is a conspiracy, but not the way the conspiracy lot think it is, and it's by those who know they can easily target and use the conspiracy crowd for their own gains, whatever they are.
 
Not been a good few days for the Ivermectin lot 🙈


And, Peter Kory (who has been banging the Ivermectin drum) then got covid, and also basically got told to resign, before getting fired for talking crap.

https://twitter.com/grahamwalker/status/1425836891769774097
What was the story behind it? I noticed a lot of the anti vax crowd were banging the ivermectin drum but couldn’t work out why. As it was equally untested.
 
What was the story behind it? I noticed a lot of the anti vax crowd were banging the ivermectin drum but couldn’t work out why. As it was equally untested.
Behind which bit? The preliminary results are out for the TOGETHER trial, which is basically one of the first decent, large scale, good quality trials, to publish it's results and it showed <10% effect for IVM, which is basically a failure, and nowhere near what the pushers said it was. This trial hasn't been fully published or peer-reviewed yet mind, but it's pretty much already confirmed what most thought, from the prelim data.
As for the previous trials, nearly all the positive trials have been taken apart as were using fake data, and in some cases, there wasn't even a trial carried out! A meta-analysis using the "real" trials says it basically doesn't work, they fall like a house of cards without the Elgazzar fake data etc.

Kory has been one of the leading figures, banging the IVM drum for a year, effectively most assume which has been to line his own pockets, and has now started to backtrack on his previous claims, and moved on to pushing some other crap :ROFLMAO:

Anti-vaxers just fell for the narrative, probably stems back from Trump with Hydroxycholoroquine etc, or they just like conspiracies in general.
It's daft as a lot of them aren't against other vaccines (designed with much worse knowledge and tech), but they're against Covid vaccines, which in itself is strange as there's about 5-10 of them, all are proven to work on massive scale, and far better than the alternative. I could maybe understand being against one of them, if it didn't work, but they nearly all do, and the ones that don't, don't get approved, it's simple.

I don't get why someone would want to find some obscure drugs designed for horse worming when they've been told by the WHO for ages that's not likely to work, and that there's vaccines which cut over 95% of deaths etc.

Good news is the TOGETHER trial, showed better results for fluvoxamine, although that was only 30% benefit and still nowhere near what the vaccines are.
 
What was the story behind it? I noticed a lot of the anti vax crowd were banging the ivermectin drum but couldn’t work out why. As it was equally untested.

There is a definite correlation between the ivermectin crowd and the Sweden/Florida/GBD/anti-mask/anti-lockdown/anti-vax crowd.

Florida, unfortunately, is really going to show what an absolute disaster following a GBD policy would have been. The GBD crowd were recently bragging about Florida following their advice. (Noticeable that they’ve recently deleted all evidence….much like many of the other antilockdown, anti mask, GBD actors in all this, such as Clare Craig, Carl Heneghan etc ).
Kulldorf and Bhattacharya had meetings with DeSantis, even very recently. And the state of Florida currently is absolutely heartbreaking.

But the GBD cheerleaders and (hugely discredited) scientists behind it all are shouting about Sweden. It’s so obviously a ‘hey, look over there! Look at that! Look at Sweden! ……look at that non-story! Look anywhere but where the real story is…..Florida…’
Unfortunately it works though, as there is plenty of evidence on social media, of those who’ve been conned by it all, repeating the Swden misdirection message.
 
Kory has been one of the leading figures, banging the IVM drum for a year, effectively most assume which has been to line his own pockets, and has now started to backtrack on his previous claims, and moved on to pushing some other crap :ROFLMAO:

It’s a real shame that some of these players have taken in some good people. Dr John Campbell has aired ivermectin stuff from both Kory and Dr Tess Laurie (who was very recently sharing a stage at an anti lockdown protest with David Icke for Christ’s sake!). I don’t believe for one second that John Campbell is anything other than a good man trying to make sense of it all and is honestly working his way through the data as best he can, but he’s been manipulated by such con artists, as much as many other decent folk have.
It’s easy to see how people can get taken in by these characters with credentials though. I went for a look down the rabbit hole and started lookimg at Yeadon’s claims very early on, and what he initially said made sense. Only when he really got going to it become apparent that he was talking absolute utter bull****. I then had a good look into all these covid commentators, liars and misinformation peddlers, and looking back at a lot of the threads that the more conspiracy theorist posters on here were involved in, the same group of names appear again and again. (People who have since been consistently proven woefully wrong, but haven’t retracted anything, or apologised, or learnt from it, but have deleted evidence instead) It’s awful. Some of these people were all over out mainstream tv at the start, and gained an air of credibility through that, which was completely misplaced. I have to wonder who was facilitating these bad faith actors getting onto mainstream media. The likes of Gupta, Heneghan, Levvitt, Craig, Yeadon, Patton, Kenny, etc
 
There is a definite correlation between the ivermectin crowd and the Sweden/Florida/GBD/anti-mask/anti-lockdown/anti-vax crowd.

Florida, unfortunately, is really going to show what an absolute disaster following a GBD policy would have been. The GBD crowd were recently bragging about Florida following their advice. (Noticeable that they’ve recently deleted all evidence….much like many of the other antilockdown, anti mask, GBD actors in all this, such as Clare Craig, Carl Heneghan etc ).
Kulldorf and Bhattacharya had meetings with DeSantis, even very recently. And the state of Florida currently is absolutely heartbreaking.

But the GBD cheerleaders and (hugely discredited) scientists behind it all are shouting about Sweden. It’s so obviously a ‘hey, look over there! Look at that! Look at Sweden! ……look at that non-story! Look anywhere but where the real story is…..Florida…’
Unfortunately it works though, as there is plenty of evidence on social media, of those who’ve been conned by it all, repeating the Swden misdirection message.
Oh definitely. The people who bang on most about Sweden/ Florida/ GBD etc are people that live in places that are nothing like Sweden, and have people who are not like the Swedes or even nordic people. Absolute nutters, far right, self-serving/ selfish, science deniers would not fit in well with Sweden, I expect. IT's funny, as the countries which probably should get praise are either side and below Sweden!

I mentioned the below in the 9am figures thread that the USA is in bother, but yeah Florida is way worse than most.

The USA could be in bother, they have rocketing cases, especially in the less vaxed states and I'm sure I read that 1/3 over 60's aren't vaccinated, which will probably be even higher in the states that are going to struggle.

They're already at 750 deaths per day, which is lagging their rising cases by 10-20 days, and their cases could still double or triple yet. They will be less cautious than us and they're less vaxed.

It's really awful that the cranks and GBD lot are deleting tweets and posts, why not just admit they were wrong? There are means and ways of seeing peoples old tweets etc, the internet never forgets, and it just shows these people up for what they are. Claire Craig is probably one of my most hated people on there, along with Yeadon and Heneghan is not far behind.

Needs to be more done about this disinformation crap, which is bad for public health, and more accountability to what people write.
 
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