Yikes. Corbyn lost two elections, was a massive racist, a Czechoslovakian spy, an Iranian tv personality, didn't bow properly, didn't sing the anthem properly, didn't wear a tie once, and yet Starmer's not so far behind him for unpopularity.
As someone put it on twitter
'Welcome to the crank left where Keir Starmer simultaneously has no policies, steals Corbyns policies and is a Tory because of his policies.'
Yikes. Corbyn lost two elections, was a massive racist, a Czechoslovakian spy, an Iranian tv personality, didn't bow properly, didn't sing the anthem properly, didn't wear a tie once, and yet Starmer's not so far behind him for unpopularity.
Doesn't matter, look at the popularity of the party, and compare that to what it's been since Blair, it's night an day.Yikes. Corbyn lost two elections, was a massive racist, a Czechoslovakian spy, an Iranian tv personality, didn't bow properly, didn't sing the anthem properly, didn't wear a tie once, and yet Starmer's not so far behind him for unpopularity.
Doesn't matter, look at the popularity of the party, and compare that to what it's been since Blair, it's night an day.
Corbyn took away the tory majority in 2017.Doesn't matter, look at the popularity of the party, and compare that to what it's been since Blair, it's night an day.
Haters gonna hate no matter what, don't need their votes, if loads of others are still happy to vote Labour (or not vote tory). Labour are just playing and adapting to the opposition, which is the best thing to do to win an election, or stop a Tory majority which nobody has been close too since Blair.
or stop a Tory majority which nobody has been close too since Blair.
Phew, Stu. For a minute there I was worried you would forget to turn everything around to whataboutStarmer rather than confront any failures of Corbyn and his inner circle.
It's clear, you prefer Corbyn or Johnson to Starmer.
For those who claim they don’t know why Corbyn was suspended
Why was Jeremy Corbyn suspended from the Labour Party?
The events that led to Mr Corbyn's suspension from the party he joined as a teenager and what happens next.www.bbc.co.uk
You didn't lay facts bare, you laid out your opinion as did I. We don't agree totally on Corbyn and the reasons that we lost the 2019 election, but when you lump those who disagree with you as 'you people' and can't see that it's condescending, well that's where I get a tad upset and resort to personal insults or should I call it, the facts I laid bare. I'm glad you've tried harder to be even more condescending and I'm equally glad to say you've succeeded. Award yourself another smiley face and a thumbs up.Sorry you're struggling with a cohesive reply to the facts I laid bare and sorry you have to resort to childish insults. It's a sign of someone getting out of their depth. Must try harder.
You can be a Labour supporter and not be too keen on the Leader of the Party, they're not mutually exclusive. There's probably been tens of thousands of Labour supporters in that situation, for every labour leader in history.And at the moment they're not Labour supporters
No. I gave you facts, figures and numbers to back up my reasoned assessment of Corbyn's woeful performance.You didn't lay facts bare, you laid out your opinion as did I. We don't agree totally on Corbyn and the reasons that we lost the 2019 election, but when you lump those who disagree with you as 'you people' and can't see that it's condescending, well that's where I get a tad upset and resort to personal insults or should I call it, the facts I laid bare. I'm glad you've tried harder to be even more condescending and I'm equally glad to say you've succeeded. Award yourself another smiley face and a thumbs up.
Barely, but that was mostly down to May being worse than Cameron. They still lost by 55 seats and allowed the Tories to form a majority government, which Labour didn't have enough seats for. He gained about 22 seats (which accounts for the 43 swing). It was 98 the election before which is better, but 163 the year after which is an absolute joke. Either way he was never going to get in, and was getting further from it, not nearer.Corbyn took away the tory majority in 2017.
Well, not a majority to get through on their own, but it doesn't mean Labour were near, they were miles away.What an oddly pointless mistruth you can't really think nobody would know about the 2017 election and the billion pound bung surely?
Wish I had your confidence.I'm a happy Labour voter now, it's playing out well. My only concern is if BJ hangs on long enough to take away the majority of bad press, and then some other guy comes in when a lot of it is out the way and gets a bump. It will happen, but I think Tories are too far behind now, and brexit will be enough of a mess where they won't be able to claw it back, and certainly not enough to form a coalition, as everyone hates them.
I wasn't keen on Corbyn, he was an extremely poor leader and weak against the Tories, but I had little against his policies apart from some maybe being a bit unrealistic.You can be a Labour supporter and not be too keen on the Leader of the Party, they're not mutually exclusive. There's probably been tens of thousands of Labour supporters in that situation, for every labour leader in history.
I'm not confident on the lead, but confident the Tories won't be able to form a majority governement, or have a chance of a coalition.Wish I had your confidence.
Sunak will steady the ship and it worries me that the British public were stupid enough to vote for a clear clown like Boris.
I think once Boris goes it will be a very close run contest.
Wish I had your confidence.
Sunak will steady the ship and it worries me that the British public were stupid enough to vote for a clear clown like Boris.
I think once Boris goes it will be a very close run contest.
Right, in the interests of fairness I've read every post you've made on this thread. I'm going to write down, what I presume are the facts, figures and numbers to back up your reasoned assessment of Corbyn's woeful performance.No. I gave you facts, figures and numbers to back up my reasoned assessment of Corbyn's woeful performance.
All you gave is opinion.
I do lump 'you people' together as those who simply will not accept that Corbyn not only destroyed the Labour Party but far worse gave us a term of Tories with a huge majority to do whatever they want.
You know the type, those that need to resort to insults because there's simply nothing else they can come up with.
More tragedy sits behind the lack of courage from Corbyn and his supporters. If he's that good, and 'you lot' are so convinced by his amazing performance, start another Party and let the rest of us concentrate on the real world in getting rid of the Tories.