IF you voted Conservative last time

Who are you most ashamed of?

  • Boris and the Tory party as a whole

    Votes: 17 68.0%

  • Yourself

    Votes: 2 8.0%

  • The media for exposing the continual malfeasance

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
bumface said:
But they'll only vote Labour once Starmer has finished turning them in to a party that is indiscernible from The Tories. Can you not see the problem in that? Replacing one turd with another? Just like our US cousins did by replacing Trump with Biden?
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But bumface, I don't agree with a word of that.

Vote for Labour or Oreo buys the bunny farm.
 
BoroFur said:
Why do threads explicitly about Tories and Tory voters turn into Starmer bashing?
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That's my fault mate. Sorry about that. Just trying to save you from yourselves. You know my views mate. You're entitled to yours and I'm entitled to mine.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
If you are rich and you want to stop other people getting your money vote conservative

If you are poor and want to get other people's money vote socialist

If you are rich and want to stop other people getting your money but it's important to you for other people to see you as a good person vote liberal.

This is a handy pocket guide I keep with me in case I'm ever called upon to vote.
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Would that be the Lib Dems that voted Nick ‘Mendacious’ Clegg as leader? Now the Face of Meta? Lovely.
 
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bumface said:
He did lie to get elected leader though and ditched all of the pledges that got him there and he's done nothing but agree the hell out of the Tories most of the time since he's been in charge. That and kick left wingers like me out of our own party. He's an @rsehole and I'll never vote Labour with him in charge.
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Well, he kicked Johnson's rear end all over the place today, again.


There is no contest between these two. Show me where Starmer broke the law. Show me when he lied to the House. Show me when he got sacked for lying.
 
Laughing said:
But bumface, I don't agree with a word of that.

Vote for Labour or Oreo buys the bunny farm.
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Not happening until Zarah Sultana becomes Labour leader mate. I'll vote for Nobby though if he decides to stand as an Independent in my constituency. Been trying to persuade him but he's still thinking about it at the moment. Fingers crossed.
 
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bumface said:
Not the same at all. I supported and campaigned for Corbyn. Can't do it for a fraud like Starmer. And I'd never vote Tory. Don't insult me mate.
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I get what you are saying Bumface, but is there a possibility that this methodology is putting/keeping the Tories in power?

Tories have proven time and time again that they will vote for any rotting corpse that the Tory party puts in front of them, whereas Labour supporters are more likely not to vote for a Labour party candidate if they aren't the exact flavour of Labour candidate they want.

I am sure this results in the Tories not actually having to beat the labour party as a whole, but they only have to beat a fragmented vote where only 50% of Labour followers actually vote.

Genuinely not having a dig, just interested in your take. As a Labour supporter, do you think a Boris led Tory government is a better deal that a Starmer led Labour party government?
 
I have always voted Labour because they most closely represent my values and hopes for the future. They are imperfect (what party isn't?) but are a broad church. They held Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Benn and every shade of the broad left you could care to name, any which of are massively preferable to the shower currently running our country.
 
Billy69_uk said:
I get what you are saying Bumface, but is there a possibility that this methodology is putting/keeping the Tories in power?

Tories have proven time and time again that they will vote for any rotting corpse that the Tory party puts in front of them, whereas Labour supporters are more likely not to vote for a Labour party candidate if they aren't the exact flavour of Labour candidate they want.

I am sure this results in the Tories not actually having to beat the labour party as a whole, but they only have to beat a fragmented vote where only 50% of Labour followers actually vote.

Genuinely not having a dig, just interested in your take. As a Labour supporter, do you think a Boris led Tory government is a better deal that a Starmer led Labour party government?
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You're right up to a point mate. The Tories are just as divided as Labour but they do a really good job of pretending not to be when elections come around. I just think that voting for the current shower in charge of Labour would be me telling them that I approve of their massive shift to the right under Starmer and I don't approve of that. I can't vote for a party led by a Tory in a red rosette. It's an unpopular opinion to have on here but that's just the way I see things.
 
HarryVegas said:
I have always voted Labour because they most closely represent my values and hopes for the future. They are imperfect (what party isn't?) but are a broad church. They held Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Benn and every shade of the broad left you could care to name, any which of are massively preferable to the shower currently running our country.
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Funny how the 'broad church' thing never applied when Corbyn was in charge Harry. The right of the party did everything they could to sabotage him and the press went along with that too and now the same people expect me to get behind Starmer in the name of party unity. Not going to happen mate.
 
bumface said:
Funny how the 'broad church' thing never applied when Corbyn was in charge Harry. The right of the party did everything they could to sabotage him and the press went along with that too and now the same people expect me to get behind Starmer in the name of party unity. Not going to happen mate.
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There are of course several ways of looking at this. Another way is to state the truth - that Blair let Corbyn stay in the party despite Corbyn voting against his own leader literally hundreds of times.
 
The reality is - people voted for him as they wanted Brexit and didn't want Corbyn as PM. We can argue about the whys and wherefores all we want, but people did that.

The issue now is to make sure people don't vote again for the party responsible for austerity, the terrible brexit outcome, the massive national division, the excess COVID deaths and spiralling cost of living.

I'm not sure shaming them is the best way to go about this. And this is coming from someone (me) who has spent far too much time inn the last five years exercised over a vote that happened five and a half years ago, so it's a hard-learned lesson.
 
HarryVegas said:
There are of course several ways of looking at this. Another way is to state the truth - that Blair let Corbyn stay in the party despite Corbyn voting against his own leader literally hundreds of times.
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And Corbyn was right to do that. Blair shouldn't have been in the Labour Party. And neither should Starmer. Just my opinion Harry. Don't want to fall out with anyone and I'll shut up now. I should stay away from these threads.
 
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