If it wasn't at the Riverside tonight

Oh I am sure there were other reasons, lack of belief may have been one of those reasons, but really. The manager had to take most of the blame of that were the case. In any event my comment about France was more to do with scuba ridiculous statement about anything less than the semis is failure.

England will likely play France or Germany or Portugal in the last 16. Any of those 3 could make the final. So to assert that we should reach at least the semis or its a failure is clearly failing to understand knockout football.
Well I agree that knockout football is unpredictable, but it really is about time England won a knockout match against a top level opponent. It has literally not happened since 1966, unless you include Spain in Euro 96, who weren’t a very good team at the time and had two perfectly good goals rules out probably because it was at Wembley, and then we beat them on penalties.
 
I think Portugal have got some brilliant players, it's the 11 on the pitch that matter not the squad.I think they could be the team to beat 👍
I do expect them to be decent, but they should be expecting the same of us. Overall I’d say we should expect to beat them, but yes we have a problem with knockout matches and Portugal have got the better of us far too many times in the past with inferior sides (on paper).
 
Well I agree that knockout football is unpredictable, but it really is about time England won a knockout match against a top level opponent. It has literally not happened since 1966, unless you include Spain in Euro 96, who weren’t a very good team at the time and had two perfectly good goals rules out probably because it was at Wembley, and then we beat them on penalties.
That's a very good point AT. I wasn't aware England's record against the top teams was soo bad. That said to be honest we have flopped competition after competition until the last World Cup.

Southgate or not fans won't care but clearly he has something that players buy into. We should celebrate a young manager that has taken a bunch of kids from the under 21 turned them into 2nd favourites for a competition. If he does well again the but in will increase from fans and more importantly players.
 
Though it did just win Chelsea the European Cup.

Meanwhile the superior squad of Man City played no holding midfielders and did not win the European Cup (or even score a goal).

Don't be so sensible and actually knowledgeable about the game. Some of the people saying how England should play have long long careers playing football manager and fifa.
 
Sorry, was just my clumsy attempt at humour. My original eff off wasn't meant in an aggressive way, just as a "give your head a shake man that's ridiculous "way.
Apologies though as I can see might not have seemed that way.
No worries, it's easy to misconstrue things through text at times. No harm done 🙂
 
I stand by my opinion. We have no chance of winning this tournament or any other while Southgate is in charge. That was absolutely abysmal.
 
I stand by my opinion. We have no chance of winning this tournament or any other while Southgate is in charge. That was absolutely abysmal.

To be honest we are unlikely tournament winners with anyone in charge, we've won nothing for over 50 years. Its a fact that in the highly competitive world of by far the worlds most popular sport some nations are generally better than us.

Last night was incredibly poor from England and it's clear you don't rate Southgate, but he will whatever anyone says or does be manager for at least the rest of this tournament, so people may as well get behind him and his team for however long we're still in it.
 
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