If I could educate the public on one point regarding policing.

Heam44

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In light of today’s events and the current (likely short lived) sympathy of the general public towards the police, if I could educate the public on one point regarding policing it would be this.

(It’s something I think most people would probably be aware of but fail to consider or remember at the appropriate time).

If you ever see a copper (or two / three) arresting someone and you think they are being heavy handed based on the circumstances. Even if you have witnessed the whole event, even if the suspect is only being arrested for the theft of a 10p mix up, and even if you know the person being arrested, it may even be someone you know well or a family member etc. Please bare in mind that you don’t know what information is being relayed through the coppers earpiece, the ‘sound fella’ you know, who has ‘hardly done anything wrong’ may have done things previously to dictate the way he is being ‘managed’.

For example the coppers may be being informed about how he there is intelligence to suggest he is in possession of firearms etc, or that the last time he was arrested it became apparent that he had a knife concealed about him, or that he has previously attacked officers when being arrested maybe even with a knife or needle etc, maybe he has previously bitten or spat at officers and he has hepatitis etc etc.

By all means get your phones out to record the incident, because the bobbys will be recording it also but you may have a much better angle and on the odd occasion that the cops have forgot to turn on their cameras they may just thank you for recording it.

But please think twice before trying to help your mate or tell the cops what they are doing wrong because when they cops are trying to communicate with the person they are arresting, each other and the ‘radio operator’, one extra person can make things difficult. And unless the person being arrested has spent every second of his/her life with you, there is a chance they might have done stuff that you don’t know about.
 
In light of today’s events and the current (likely short lived) sympathy of the general public towards the police, if I could educate the public on one point regarding policing it would be this.

(It’s something I think most people would probably be aware of but fail to consider or remember at the appropriate time).

If you ever see a copper (or two / three) arresting someone and you think they are being heavy handed based on the circumstances. Even if you have witnessed the whole event, even if the suspect is only being arrested for the theft of a 10p mix up, and even if you know the person being arrested, it may even be someone you know well or a family member etc. Please bare in mind that you don’t know what information is being relayed through the coppers earpiece, the ‘sound fella’ you know, who has ‘hardly done anything wrong’ may have done things previously to dictate the way he is being ‘managed’.

For example the coppers may be being informed about how he there is intelligence to suggest he is in possession of firearms etc, or that the last time he was arrested it became apparent that he had a knife concealed about him, or that he has previously attacked officers when being arrested maybe even with a knife or needle etc, maybe he has previously bitten or spat at officers and he has hepatitis etc etc.

By all means get your phones out to record the incident, because the bobbys will be recording it also but you may have a much better angle and on the odd occasion that the cops have forgot to turn on their cameras they may just thank you for recording it.

But please think twice before trying to help your mate or tell the cops what they are doing wrong because when they cops are trying to communicate with the person they are arresting, each other and the ‘radio operator’, one extra person can make things difficult. And unless the person being arrested has spent every second of his/her life with you, there is a chance they might have done stuff that you don’t know about.
Sorry, but if I witnessed the Police being overly heavy handed with my wife or son then I would not stand back and do nothing, just on the grounds they "may" have a concealed knife on them, or have been involved in previous violence that I know nothing about.
 
That certainly contributed!! My point being though that the OP wants me to stand back and watch the police ‘rough handle‘ someone I know well, who isn’t being abusive or aggressive, because the quality of the information In their earpieces is unquestionable. Dear God these people will get us to a police state quicker than Johnstone and his mob.

I do accept, before I’m pulled up for it, being blasted into the next world with a hand cannon is a bit more than ‘rough handling’
 
Edits, tryasize, Ingelby, Laughing - just to clarify, by using the term ‘heavy handed’ I mean, insisting that the person does not walk away, stands in a certain location, wears handcuffs whilst they are spoken to, grabbing hold of the suspects arm, raising their voice to the suspect, using certain hand-to-hand safety techniques if the person is resisting.

Maybe I should have been more specific, what I certainly don’t mean, I’d if an officer runs over and sticks a headbutt / dishes out a left hook right cross combo / flying kick on ya Mrs. Which obviously never happens, and if it did the officer would almost certainly be off to prison.

Regarding information in the earpiece being “unquestionable”, obviously I’m sure there are examples of when officers were provided with incorrect information ‘Charles de Menzes’ being one, but of course the officers dealing with the incident ‘live time’ who are receiving the information through their earpiece aren’t the people responsible for any mis-information they receive.
 
My cousin was a copper just about all his working life, one of my best pals ended up as inspector in Thames Valley Police, he still posts on here. Two better blokes you couldnt wish to meet. Theyd laugh if they read the opening post....dear me:)
 
My cousin was a copper just about all his working life, one of my best pals ended up as inspector in Thames Valley Police, he still posts on here. Two better blokes you couldnt wish to meet. Theyd laugh if they read the opening post....dear me:)

Why?
 
I understood perfectly what you meant by heavy handed. In the circumstances you’re describing there is absolutely no need to handcuff someone just to speak to them, to manhandle them or in any way be other than polite.

You clearly don’t see this the way others do. In the UK we police by consent and heavy handed policing as you describe would destroy that.
 
I understood perfectly what you meant by heavy handed. In the circumstances you’re describing there is absolutely no need to handcuff someone just to speak to them, to manhandle them or in any way be other than polite.

You clearly don’t see this the way others do. In the UK we police by consent and heavy handed policing as you describe would destroy that.

The circumstances I have provided (stealing a 10p mix up) was tongue in cheek. Apologies I thought that would have been obvious.

Bearing in mind that some people have markers which mean they should only be arrested my firearms units / or the ACTT team (plain clothes firearms units), and of course people who aren’t quite as dangerous, believe me there are certainly people who it’s wise to handcuff whilst you speak to them / search them.
 
I hope you have long and distinguished career, and retire happy and healthy. Unlike that poor lad who should have been looking forward to coaching Rugby and enjoying what he worked so hard for. Dangerous job and the one perk you get he missed by a fortnight. Good luck.
 
Jean Charles de Menezes highlighting the issue with earpiece messages.
Sorry, but if I witnessed the Police being overly heavy handed with my wife or son then I would not stand back and do nothing, just on the grounds they "may" have a concealed knife on them, or have been involved in previous violence that I know nothing about.
I can't be bothered with going into what is wrong with the original post.
That certainly contributed!! My point being though that the OP wants me to stand back and watch the police ‘rough handle‘ someone I know well, who isn’t being abusive or aggressive, because the quality of the information In their earpieces is unquestionable. Dear God these people will get us to a police state quicker than Johnstone and his mob.

I do accept, before I’m pulled up for it, being blasted into the next world with a hand cannon is a bit more than ‘rough handling’

Let me try to make my point in another way - quite often the police will attend an incident with the intention of issuing ‘words of advice’ or issuing a community resolution (a paper ticking off), often we simply attend just to make sure everyone is ok / Complete a box ticking excersize / keep supervision happy etc. But because SOME people see the uniform and immediately react negatively and basically have sort of toddler tantrum, often indirectly encouraged by the friend who is just trying to ‘help their mate out’. Which results with the police being left with no option to arrest whereas when they had initially arrived that wasn’t their intention at all.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of cops attend an incident with arresting people being there least favoured option as that requires far more work than just having a chinwag with someone and then letting the radio operator know the incident has been dealt with.

Of course I’m fully aware that some police officers -

*don’t come across well
*don’t have the greatest communication skills
*could show more empathy
*have become synical
*could be more symathetic to the hardships faced by others
*haven’t had enough exposure to life on the ‘wrong side of the tracks’.

And any combination of the above.

But ultimately when the police attend an incident, it’s their job to establish what’s happened and/or take control of the situation, as much as some people don’t want them too.
 
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