If Fans in Scotland & Wales Need To Show Covid Vac proof
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SmallTown
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Good point. Should be banned from playing until they do
So fans can't go in but OK for players really makes sense.
Footballers above the rest of us
That's not the point - players should not be allowed to play if fans can't go in. If they do want Vac that fine but they should be the same as everyone else.
Very much like doctors nurses have to have certain vacs.
But players arent spectators (ok maybe some at the boro could be identified as such) and theres a different level of interaction and environments, etc. May be they are subject to other controls that arent practical for fans. Anyway, "we" arent in scotland or wales so our fans dont need to so why should the players and if youre specifically talking about players in those leagues then im not really fussed what they do in other countries, each to their own which really should be the prevailing attitude in life and would result in a lot less strife and a lot less busy bodies wanting to exert control
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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The players should be subject to the same rules, it's as simple as that. They're also mixing in the changing rooms.
SmallTown
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No, but you can stop people who don't care about catching and spreading the virus from being in large crowds
Norman_Conquest
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I think with his comment above and that on another thread, Train Man is against people receiving the vaccination or any other implementations to fight COVID.
I think it is people's right to choose not to have the vaccination but that doesn't make them exempt from following the rules the rest of us have to follow.
I think it is people's right to choose not to have the vaccination but that doesn't make them exempt from following the rules the rest of us have to follow.
It's not about being busy bodies I really couldn't care if someone does not want to be vaccinated. Figures are going up and I really do want to be stuck in this winter.
So fine if you don't want Vac just keep out of the way of those that have had it.
Anti vaxers - I wonder if they get their children vaccinated with usual Vacs?
I think i'd follow the guidelines of whether a vaccination is required to go to work in Scotland and Wales. Very few professions currently require vaccination to be employed so I expect they would, and should fit in that camp.
I would be surprised if the police/ stewards/ cashiers/ ticket sellers are required to be covid vaccinated to go to work.
There has to be some pragmatism in what we do as a country to protect the most possible people with least possible effort- people choosing to go to an event is a fairly easy win in my opinion.
Testing of people is also fairly useful within the workplace, and i'm sure players are being tested fairly regularly.
Go for the easy wins- masking, hygiene, testing, ventilation, mass vaccination. Most of the population will work with these. If you target on an individual level you are wasting resources.
I would be surprised if the police/ stewards/ cashiers/ ticket sellers are required to be covid vaccinated to go to work.
There has to be some pragmatism in what we do as a country to protect the most possible people with least possible effort- people choosing to go to an event is a fairly easy win in my opinion.
Testing of people is also fairly useful within the workplace, and i'm sure players are being tested fairly regularly.
Go for the easy wins- masking, hygiene, testing, ventilation, mass vaccination. Most of the population will work with these. If you target on an individual level you are wasting resources.
Laughing
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We ain't even interested in the easy wins cambs. If passports do become a thing in england it will be a hail Mary from Johnson to avoid another lockdown.
You quite rightly point out that maintaining some rules over summer would have had no impact on us as individuals but may have impacted the highest rate of infections in Europe.
Im not necessarily disagreeing with you but it does merit more than surface scratching. For those that choose not to have the vaccine, how would you propose they stay out of the way of those that have had it, i.e., how would each group be identified? And why would those that have had it need to worry about those that havent? Isnt that the purpose of the vaccine? Maybe its time fixtures were not so much home and away but vaxxed and unvaxxed m(obviously extending to team selection and more importantly in everyday life, pubs)
I agree. From a public health point of view the last 18 months are a car crash.
Vax passports or negative lateral flow tests. Keep it simple.
We only play two fixtures in Wales a season - this will impact on fans this weekend - it is a fair point to ask should it also impact on our players v Cardiff. Certainly Neil Warnock and others at the club would love our players to all get vaccinated.
OK
OK, so that would work with limited effectiveness i suppose - controlled entry to venues, etc. but not general public interaction so whats the point
To make people feel more safe and secure in those environments where there are a lot of people - however incremental it may be it will make them a bit safer.
Not disputing whether its a fair point to ask but its also fair to consider players personal choice. They are individuals first and foremost before they are players so they should not be compelled or coerced to be jabbed if they dont want to purely for the purposes of our entertainment - that said by the same token the club are entirely within their rights to sit them out and as long as theyre not financially penalised i doubt the players would object too strongly.
You can't limit public interaction. If you want a measure that covers all basis, it is purely isolation from the world- this is not realistic. Public health is not about preventing 100% of anything, it is about mitigating risk as best as is possible.
All or nothing has been the problem throughout. If one negative test appears in a 30,000 venue it will not stop the spread or risk of covid to the 30,000 attendees. It may stop it with the 4 travelling to the venue together, and the 6 within proximity in the pub, and the taxi driver... etc.