I wish we’d stop this time wasting ploy

[Anton_Berg]

As all it does is leads to insane levels of injury time

Great goal
From DJ there though

The inference here is that refs are adding more time for this nowadays, so not such a good idea as it was. Maybe it means having to teach an old dog a new trick?

 

[festa5]

I don't like it in general but has to be done. Everyone knows it doesn't really get added on, ref might as well pick a number between 3 and 5 at random (often that's what feels like has actually happened).

Until they find a system to punish it effectively teams are going to do it because it works. So we might as well too

 

[ticker_tape]

Always been part of NW playbook or hadn't anybody ever noticed.

 

[newyddion]

The inference here is that refs are adding more time for this nowadays, so not such a good idea as it was. Maybe it means having to teach an old dog a new trick?

Would you rather give the opposition 6 mins of uninterrupted all out pressure or 11 minutes of absolutely frustrating stop/start

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Nah, it needs to be done. We’ve been far too naive and soft over the years. Game management. Great stuff.

That's nonsense. The powers that be should be stamping it out. It's just another thing wrong with modern football along with players falling over at the drop of a hat etc.

 

[newyddion]

That's nonsense. The powers that be should be stamping it out. It's just another thing wrong with modern football along with players falling over at the drop of a hat etc.

It’s not being stamped out tho. are we expected to be the championships good guys whilst we watch teams that are a bit more streetwise nick points off us left right and centre? Our throw ins and free kicks are just common sense, it’s not even ‘dark arts’ or anything even slightly underhanded.. it’s just about attacking the game a being positive about it. Making everyone we do more effective instead of waiting for the game to come to us.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

It’s not being stamped out tho. are we expected to be the championships good guys whilst we watch teams that are a bit more streetwise nick points off us left right and centre? Our throw ins and free kicks are just common sense, it’s not even ‘dark arts’ or anything even slightly underhanded.. it’s just about attacking the game a being positive about it. Making everyone we do more effective instead of waiting for the game to come to us.

I said "should" - it's more an acceptance by the paying public that these things are acceptable.

I don't want to watch Football where cheating and time wasting is the norm just because everyone else does it.

 

[Way_Out_West]

Has anyone noticed the Bettinelli 'short goal kick' routine? When trying to use up time, get your defenders all at the edge of the box as if to play it short, the opposition follows them in, prompting a reset to go long, moving everyone up to half way. It wastes a good minute, and doesn't even look like time wasting.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Has anyone noticed the Bettinelli 'short goal kick' routine? When trying to use up time, get your defenders all at the edge of the box as if to play it short, the opposition follows them in, prompting a reset to go long, moving everyone up to half way. It wastes a good minute, and doesn't even look like time wasting.

Have you seen the ridiculous way he jogs behind the goal line to retrieve the ball. It's like watching someone with chronic arthritis in both knees trying to run. He actually jogs slower than he walks.

 

[WoodallServices]

It’s not being stamped out tho. are we expected to be the championships good guys whilst we watch teams that are a bit more streetwise nick points off us left right and centre? Our throw ins and free kicks are just common sense, it’s not even ‘dark arts’ or anything even slightly underhanded.. it’s just about attacking the game a being positive about it. Making everyone we do more effective instead of waiting for the game to come to us.

That’s the problem Newy, we’re not being streetwise enough. Djed Spence for example, if you think ok most refs will allow 30 seconds before intervening, you can’t use up those 30 seconds then just drop the ball to Djiksteel and say “ you have a go now”!
If you’ve already picked up a soft booking earlier then there’s a red and a ban for no reason with a paper thin squad.

 

[Anton_Berg]

Would you rather give the opposition 6 mins of uninterrupted all out pressure or 11 minutes of absolutely frustrating stop/start

I'm thinking about it. My nerves aren't what they used to be.

 

[FatCat]

Has anyone noticed the Bettinelli 'short goal kick' routine? When trying to use up time, get your defenders all at the edge of the box as if to play it short, the opposition follows them in, prompting a reset to go long, moving everyone up to half way. It wastes a good minute, and doesn't even look like time wasting.

I think he got a yellow card for it against Bristol and did Spence get a yellow card - we will pick up a lot of cards if we keep it up, by all means do it but I just thought last night felt a bit unsporting.

 

[WoodallServices]

I think he got a yellow card for it against Bristol and did Spence get a yellow card - we will pick up a lot of cards if we keep it up, by all means do it but I just thought last night felt a bit unsporting.

In a short space of time it’s bookings we can ill afford!

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

That's nonsense. The powers that be should be stamping it out. It's just another thing wrong with modern football along with players falling over at the drop of a hat etc.

These practices have been acceptable on the continent for a long time and are more or less taken for granted.

Before lockdown my son was seconded to a Spanish company in London. One of his friends while he was there was an Italian bloke called Fabrizio. One day they were having a cup of tea at Fab’s desk when a couple of locals joined them. They got talking about the football from the previous night and one of the Londoners began remonstrating about the attempts by the players to con the referee to win advantages, adding that this kind of thing wouldn’t be seen in rugby (debatable). His friend backed him up, saying that it doesn’t go on in Cricket either (also debatable). At this, Fabrizio spoke up.

“No no no gentlemen, football is completely different to other sports. It cannot be compared to these games that you speak of. Watching football is more like watching a play from William Shakespeare. You have all of the characters there. You have the hero, the enforcer, the entertainer. You have the fooool, the turncoat, and the cheat and each of these characters has his part to play as the plot reveals itself right in front of your eyes. And this is why football cannot be compared to any other game in the world.”

The English blokes weren’t convinced, saying “nah, it just ain’t right,” and stuff like that, and my son was thinking - I’m going to have to go for a pint with Fabrizio next time there’s a big match on the tele.
There is a debate to be had. Game management? Using your skill to force your opponent to make a clumsy tackle? They are all now part of football and always will be, so do we take the moral high ground and get left behind or do we work to become good at it?

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

These practices have been acceptable on the continent for a long time and are more or less taken for granted.

Before lockdown my son was seconded to a Spanish company in London. One of his friends while he was there was an Italian bloke called Fabrizio. One day they were having a cup of tea at Fab’s desk when a couple of locals joined them. They got talking about the football from the previous night and one of the Londoners began remonstrating about the attempts by the players to con the referee to win advantages, adding that this kind of thing wouldn’t be seen in rugby (debatable). His friend backed him up, saying that it doesn’t go on in Cricket either (also debatable). At this, Fabrizio spoke up.

“No no no gentlemen, football is completely different to other sports. It cannot be compared to these games that you speak of. Watching football is more like watching a play from William Shakespeare. You have all of the characters there. You have the hero, the enforcer, the entertainer. You have the fooool, the turncoat, and the cheat and each of these characters has his part to play as the plot reveals itself right in front of your eyes. And this is why football cannot be compared to any other game in the world.”

The English blokes weren’t convinced, saying “nah, it just ain’t right,” and stuff like that, and my son was thinking - I’m going to have to go for a pint with Fabrizio next time there’s a big match on the tele.
There is a debate to be had. Game management? Using your skill to force your opponent to make a clumsy tackle? They are all now part of football and always will be, so do we take the moral high ground and get left behind or do we work to become good at it?

That probably explains why I never watch Italian football - it's ***** and just because its the norm elsewhere doesn't mean its right. I might be in the minority but I'll just stop watching altogether if it gets any worse.

 

[Angus]

I think it is just cheating, everyone does I know but Bettinelli could get sent off if he is not very careful.

 

[Lottowyn]

For someone to suggest it isn't noticeable is silly.

Our keeper stands out as a time waster especially when we get the lead. It's all so unnecessary because the refs soon pick up on it.

The last thing we need is getting a reputation like Bournemouth and their diving.
Cut it out please.

 

[newyddion]

I said "should" - it's more an acceptance by the paying public that these things are acceptable.

I don't want to watch Football where cheating and time wasting is the norm just because everyone else does it.

Would you win in a race against a player like Traore? No, so you have to manage him. It’s not cheating, it’s adjusting how you play to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses. Imagine winning the playoffs on the back of wanting to win and someone turning round and saying that it wasn’t fair. How do you win a game without wanting to win and playing against you’re opponents weaknesses.

 

[DCI_Gene_Hunt]

Would you win in a race against a player like Traore? No, so you have to manage him. It’s not cheating, it’s adjusting how you play to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses. Imagine winning the playoffs on the back of wanting to win and someone turning round and saying that it wasn’t fair. How do you win a game without wanting to win and playing against you’re opponents weaknesses.

If you deliberately don't play to the rules its cheating.

 

[Muttley]

I don't like it at all, it is cheating and unsportsmanlike.

That said, particularly last night, Coventry were time-wasting at their first goal kick in their effort to get a 0-0, so I don't have any sympathy for them. I would like to see refs be more punitive of it whenever it happens minute one or minute eighty-nine.