I love Gareth Southgate

Scubahood said:
IMO a more positive and fearless manager could get more out of the exciting pool of attackers we're fortunate enough to have available to us.
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Well we aren't exactly blessed with those. Literally every England manager in history has had this sort of thing said about them, perhaps with the exception of Ramsey who was sacked 48 years ago.

Lets try to judge him on how far we go in the tournament rather than how 'pretty' we look.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Well the proof will be in the pudding, but i am sceptical. i am definitely on the side of he isn't or is yet to prove himself to be a great manager, if we can beat 1 or more footballing super powers in the knockout stages ie the likes of France or Germany or Portugal then i will feel different.

Nice bloke, very articulate but that to me doesn't mean you will be a managerial great no matter how good your letters are to the fans,The boro job was at difficult time for the club but He made plenty of bad mistakes. Perhaps international football fits him better, and hes learned from his past mistakes. However I dont think he will every be a huge managerial success at club level and i still think England are along way off from the standard of tournament winners or serious contenders.

"When I look at the people who clearly hate him and want the team to fail, I'm with him. "

Harry I think there are very few who people who hate him hes too bland and inoffensive to exact hatred, there is very little personal animosity compared to previous managers, some people are yet to be convinced for whatever reason in his managerial skill thats all. i would also argue there is a lot of positive bias towards him because of his off the field persona, which has nothing to do with football matters on the pitch.
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For the record I wasn't even referring to anyone on here. Further afield plenty do.
 
Glover_elbow said:
i am definitely on the side of he isn't or is yet to prove himself to be a great manager, if we can beat 1 or more footballing super powers in the knockout stages ie the likes of France or Germany or Portugal then i will feel different.
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I don't know if I've seen anyone claim he is a 'great manager' yet.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well we aren't exactly blessed with those. Literally every England manager in history has had this sort of thing said about them, perhaps with the exception of Ramsey who was sacked 48 years ago.

Lets try to judge him on how far we go in the tournament rather than how 'pretty' we look.
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It's clear we're not going to see eye to eye on this, so we'll just see what happens over the next week or so.

I really hope I'm proved wrong by the way!
 
I don’t remember much about his tenure in charge at the Boro (by comparison with other managers I mean) as I’d stopped going regularly by then. I seem to recall an inability for his teams to score goals and an inability to change the game tactically. And lee dong Gook. Although I could say that about several of our managers over the years.

I really hope he succeeds, he will always have a place in my heart for being the captain who lifted our only trophy, but I fear we’ll get tough and much smarter opposition next and will struggle.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well we aren't exactly blessed with those. Literally every England manager in history has had this sort of thing said about them, perhaps with the exception of Ramsey who was sacked 48 years ago.

Lets try to judge him on how far we go in the tournament rather than how 'pretty' we look.
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I believe Ramsey took a lot of stick for not playing wingers and his team was seen as dull..... until they won, of course.

Perhaps the same will happen for South gate.
 
When you compare his record to the likes of Capello and Sven, two of the best European club managers in the past 20/30 years, Hoddle, Roy and Keegan, he's not done bad for himself has he?

A semi-final and unbeaten in his first Euros group stage without conceding a goal.

Some will say 'look who we were up against' but you can only play who's in front of you and how often have we failed to even get out of the group stage.

It may not be gung-ho entertaining football but at least he has a game plan and more often than not it's paid off. You don't win or do well in international tournaments based on how many shots on goal you have.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
When you compare his record to the likes of Capello and Sven, two of the best European club managers in the past 20/30 years, Hoddle, Roy and Keegan, he's not done bad for himself has he?

A semi-final and unbeaten in his first Euros group stage without conceding a goal.

Some will say 'look who we were up against' but you can only play who's in front of you and how often have we failed to even get out of the group stage.

It may not be gung-ho entertaining football but at least he has a game plan and more often than not it's paid off. You don't win or do well in international tournaments based on how many shots on goal you have.
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I really don't know if its just me or not, but it definitely really feels to me as though fans' obsessions with 'good football' is growing throughout the game, certainly in this country anyway.
 
He certainly seems to have the players playing as a team and comes across as a thoroughly decent chap. He was poor as a manager for us, but Gibson should never have appointed him.
 
He was unlucky as Middlesbrough manager. He took over at the worst possible time. Fans expectations were high and money (relatively with our history and our rivals) was low. We lost Schwarzer, Southgate, Ehiogu, Quadreue, Rochemback, Boateng, Mendieta, Viduka, Hasselbank, Yakubu and Maccarone in the years after he took over, and we replaced them with cheaper, less experienced players. Any manager would have struggled in those circumstances. He did OK for the first few seasons, but by the time his last season came around we lacked experience at the back and proven Premiership goalscoring ability upfront, a recipe for disaster for any team.

I still think he should have had a chance to finish his first season in the Championship, he coildnt have done any worse than his replacement. Especially considering the long term damage his signings caused.

Then again, he might not have ended up England manager it that happened and he's definitely well suited to international management. I can't believe anyone is arguing that another manager would get more out of the players by letting them take the shackles off - you'd have thought that the experience of seeing that fail spectacularly at Middlesbrough ahen Karanka left and when Pulis left would have taught us how badly that can go.

Sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to hide the limitations of a squad if you want to succeed. Southgate is doing a very good job of that. The matches might be more exciting for the neutrals if he throws caution to the wind (just as it was when Woodgate was boro manager) but that won't be fun for fans of England.
 
HarryVegas said:
Who's called you a troll?
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You've posted on here about thuggish trolls on football forums if its not aimed at anyone on here then why post it.

I've seen a couple of people on here being very critical of him as a manager, I've seen a handful of people being critical of his tactics. But I haven't seen a single poster on here have a personal attack at Southgate, 99% of posters on here have been very constructive in their criticism.

I think you are trying to paint every person on here who isn't a huge Southgate fan as a troll.

If I criticise the tactics on here I try to be constructive and respectful but I've been accused as having an agenda and having a personal grudge against him on here recently.

Its getting really boring on here now if you have a different opinion on here to someone then the standard comeback is to try to paint you out as some extreme hater. I come on here to talk about football not have an argument with every single poster.
 
Uwefuchs said:
I think you are trying to paint every person on here who isn't a huge Southgate fan as a troll.
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You are mistaken. Check back on this thread and you'll see I clarified hours ago. You weren't being referred to at all. There is more than one Boro board and you have nothing to be offended about. It's not about you.

I hope that clarifies things.
 
Keyboard Worrier said:
There I’ve said it. An Englishman to be proud of. Quietly going about his business to pick a team to progress as far as possible through the tournament. Doesn’t listen to the knuckle draggers or the Twitter trolls. Self assured and dignified. Long may he reign.
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Totally agree. On a footballing front he has done what umpteen previous managers - some of them greats - failed to do, which is to create a genuine team. There doesn’t seem to be any egotism there, it’s all about the collective and playing to the plan. He’s got all those lads right on point.

It’s been fantastic too to see us genuinely comfortable in possession. The first time in my life I can say that about an England team. Hats off to him, it’s quite a culture shift and you’ve got to say he’s done it successfully.

He’s a legend in many other ways too, which we all know as boro fans. Isn’t it great to see a bloke like him, who gave his all playing bravely and intelligently for the boro and for his country, leading our national team? Bringing us coherency and clarity on so many fronts. And integrity and oneness at a time where we have had such national challenges. I think so anyway. Absolute respect for him.
 
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